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Messages - Lee Ross

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Hi Rena,

The Ferrers of Bere Ferrers in Devon are believed to be descended from Roger de Ferrers from Ferrières in Normandy, who was a vassal of Geoffrey II, Count of Mortagne and Count of Perche (who for his service in the Battle of Hastings, William the Conqueror gave a reward of significant property in England). You're right the name derives from Latin and is associated with iron, suggesting the area had iron deposits or smithing activity in antiquity or early medieval times.

I'm looking at his son or more likely grandson Ralph de Ferres which the "The earliest recorded existence of this family in Devon was Ralf de Ferrers in 1168" refers to. It is likely then that Ralph was able to obtain land through a later Count of Mortagne/Count of Perche.

Thanks
Lee

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Hi everyone,

Would anyone have a copy of the 'Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families' by Lewis C. Loyd?

I'm looking at the de Ferrers family's origin in Devon and there is a phrase written that says "The earliest recorded existence of this family in Devon was Ralf de Ferrers in 1168", what is the reference for this? Is it the Pipe Rolls?

The Publications of the Harleian Society Volume 103 (1951) has a snippet view on Google if that helps?
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/7v0KAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22In+1086+Bere+Ferrers+(Birland)+and+Newton+Ferrers+(Niwetona)+were+both+held+by+Reginald+de+Valletorte+of+Robert+count+of+Mortain.+At+a+later+date+both+were+held+by+Ferrers+of+Valletorte+as+of+the+barony+of+Trematon.+The+earliest+recorded+existence+of+this+family+in+Devon+was+Ralf+de+Ferrers+in+1168.+Ferrieres+is+12+kil.+S+of+Mortain+and+26+kil.+N+of+Vautorte+(dept.+and+arr.+Mayenne,+cant.+Ernee).+In+1112+Roger+de+Ferrariis+occurs+among+the+witnesses+%27de+valle+Moritonii%27+to+Henry+I%27s+charter+of+confirmation+for+the+abbey+of+Savigny.+Ferrers+of+Churston+Ferrers,+Devon+appear+to+have+been+cadets+of+this+family,+and+it+is+probable+that+all+those+of+the+name+in+Devon+and+Cornwall+were+of+the+same+stock.%22&dq=%22In+1086+Bere+Ferrers+(Birland)+and+Newton+Ferrers+(Niwetona)+were+both+held+by+Reginald+de+Valletorte+of+Robert+count+of+Mortain.+At+a+later+date+both+were+held+by+Ferrers+of+Valletorte+as+of+the+barony+of+Trematon.+The+earliest+recorded+existence+of+this+family+in+Devon+was+Ralf+de+Ferrers+in+1168.+Ferrieres+is+12+kil.+S+of+Mortain+and+26+kil.+N+of+Vautorte+(dept.+and+arr.+Mayenne,+cant.+Ernee).+In+1112+Roger+de+Ferrariis+occurs+among+the+witnesses+%27de+valle+Moritonii%27+to+Henry+I%27s+charter+of+confirmation+for+the+abbey+of+Savigny.+Ferrers+of+Churston+Ferrers,+Devon+appear+to+have+been+cadets+of+this+family,+and+it+is+probable+that+all+those+of+the+name+in+Devon+and+Cornwall+were+of+the+same+stock.%22&printsec=frontcover

Thanks

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Devon / Re: Robert Eastchurch of Kingsteignton
« on: Saturday 12 July 25 08:00 BST (UK)  »
Some interesting history about what happened to 'Twinyeo Farm'
https://www.geocities.ws/anthonyblackmore/hist3.html

Can't quite link the Eastchurches yet but the estate was a settlement in Domesday Book so it's been around for a while
https://opendomesday.org/place/SX8476/twinyeo/

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Devon / Re: Robert Eastchurch of Kingsteignton
« on: Saturday 12 July 25 06:42 BST (UK)  »
It might but I haven't been able to find a connection of the Eastchurches to Teigngrace but I'll keep looking.

I did find something possibly interesting in the 'History of Chudleigh':
"Its western boundary, the Teign, (anciently written and now generally pronounced Ting, called by the Britons, for that " it is narrowly pent with narrow banks") is thus described by Lysons, " rises on the borders of Dartmoor with two heads meeting near Holy-street, Chagford, near Whiddon Park and Moreton Woods, near Dunsford, Christow, Hennock, Chudleigh-Knigh ton, and Teigngrace, where on an estate called Teignyeo, it is joined by the Bovey-river, thence to Kingsteignton ; hereabouts it becomes a wide estuary, and falls into the Sea between Shaldon and Teignmouth, its course having been about thirty miles."
https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_History_of_Chudleigh/oNEIo5SDiHMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Teignyeo%22+chudleigh&pg=PA90&printsec=frontcover
Could it be a version of Teignyeo perhaps?

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Devon / Robert Eastchurch of Kingsteignton
« on: Saturday 12 July 25 03:11 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I've got a baptism record for Thomas Eastchurch in Kingsteignton in 1681 that lists his father as Robert Eastchurch of ?Teigngow?

I'm struggling to find a locale/estate by this name but likely I'm reading it wrong. Does anyone have information on the 17th century Kingsteignton Eastchurch family that might be able to help?

The other children I could find for this Robert Eastchurch and his wife Mary are Samuel (1683), Elizabeth (1688), Agnes (1690), Susanna (1692) and Thomasin (1693). All baptised in Kingsteignton but no other mention of a location but Robert is variously listed as gent or Mr in these records. 

I have tentatively linked this Robert Eastchurch (1640-1713) as the son of Thomas Eastchurch and Thomasin Balle (d. 1640 shortly after his birth), she was possibly of the Balle family of Mamhead. His father Thomas might be the Thomas Eastchurch of Kingsteignton (a 1655) that married Susan Waltham (bpt 15.04.1621, a 1655). Link: https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ww/waltham1.php

Thanks in advance for any help :)

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Australia / Re: James Greenland on the 'Sir Charles Napier'
« on: Thursday 11 January 24 16:22 GMT (UK)  »
I'm waiting on James and Bridget's children's birth certificates to see if they offer any further clues.

I think I got lucky, on one of James and Bridget's children's birth certificates it states James is from 'Bradford, Wilts, England'
I'm fairly certain now that this is the same man that arrived in Hobart on the 'Sir Charles Napier' in 1842.
I wonder what happened to his first wife Ruth, did she die in Tasmania? Did he leave her?

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Australia / Re: James Greenland on the 'Sir Charles Napier'
« on: Monday 08 January 24 14:38 GMT (UK)  »
No age, birthplace or parents are listed on the 1863 marriage certificate to Bridget McNamara.

Reconciling the church records with the registry's records was never completed which is why some marriage certs are still missing information.  Some of the Catholic church records have been filmed and deposited with the NSW State Library and NLA but searching their catalogues, they don't have the ones you need.  Neither does the SOAG.

Having a Google it seems that someone found that the church records for the Wilcannia-Forbes Diocese, of which Deniliquin is a part, are kept at Broken Hill.

Scroll down for "Contact us", it would be worth a go.

https://www.wf.catholic.org.au/parishes-2/broken-hill/

Debra  :)

Hi Debra,

That is very interesting, I had just assumed it was simply missing the information from the beginning. I'm going to contact them as you suggested and see how I go, could be the missing link.

Thanks!

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Australia / Re: James Greenland on the 'Sir Charles Napier'
« on: Monday 08 January 24 13:32 GMT (UK)  »
Some Ancestry trees have him as being born 1816 in Somerset, England.

If this is him, it looks like he went from VIC to Tas in 1854 so likely this is him returning to Syd in 1857.

Name   James Greenland
Age   38
Birth Year   abt 1816
Departure Date   Feb. 1854
Departure Place   Victoria, Australia
Destination   HOBART TOWN
Ship   EUCALYPTUS
Ship's Master   BLACKBOURN JOHN B
Page   3

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Australia / Re: James Greenland on the 'Sir Charles Napier'
« on: Monday 08 January 24 13:26 GMT (UK)  »
Yes you're right, I'll look into him again.
This James died in 1900 in Albion Park but doesn't appear to have any parents listed on his death record by looks of the NSW BDM.
But definitely someone to try to rule in/out as well if possible.

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