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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Saturday 03 March 18 10:34 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Gipsy Spirit,
..... My Great Grandparents William Cordiner and Sophia Stephen married on 15th October 1854, probably at Boddam. Please would you contact me by telephone and I will give you my e-mail address. I don't know how to send you a PRIVATE  message. I live in Scarborough, Yorkshire, England and I am the only Hanwell in the area telephone directory. Once in email contact, I will happily send you a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet with my branch of the Cordiner family on it. All originated from the Boddam / Peterhead area of Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
..... Regards, Adrian Hanwell.
 

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Friday 02 March 18 17:21 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Forfarian,
..... Yes, you are right. Whilst I know my history, all my Genealogy research post-dates the Union of Crowns, so this fact had not entered my head. From what I have read, many Armada survivors were slaughtered when they reached Scottish shores, so I had not given it sufficient thought. Thanks for bring this to my attention. I do tend to use modern terms when referring to land areas, rather that period terms, so I did intend to use the term British Isles, meaning England, Scotland and Ireland.
..... Regards, Adrian.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Friday 02 March 18 13:28 GMT (UK)  »
Dear All,
..... The big difference between the Spanish Armada sailors, most other foreign sailors and the Santa Caterina crew would have been the need for the Earl of Errol's men to help their gun-running Spanish allies and to conceal their activities from the authorities.
..... With normal enemies, the populus would simply either, kill them, or arrest them and pass them on to the authorities. With gun-running allies, you would need to rescue them, then share them amongst the population who could feed them and conceal them. Young Spanish Sailors would then make friendships with young local ladies with the inevitable results.
..... Ten years after the Armada, it would be almost impossible to send Spanish sailors home by legal means. Even getting a message to the Spanish authorities asking them to come and collect their people would be difficult and transporting the men home would be incredibly risky, as no British ship would want try to sail into a Spanish port. I imagine that most crew members got home eventually, but the long delays and relationship developments probably caused some crew members (Mr. Cordiner, Mr. Philips and Mr. Stephen?) to stay in Aberdeenshire. Even the Armada origin myth probably dated from the very early days, as this would be the easiest way to explain why Spanish men were living in Aberdeenshire.
..... Regards, Adrian.
 

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Friday 02 March 18 13:02 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Skoosh,
..... Many thanks for that information also. It arrived whilst I was typing my previous reply.
As I said previously, all such information adds to the picture. Thanks again.
..... Regards, Adrian.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Friday 02 March 18 12:58 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Rena / Harry,
..... Many thanks for that information.
All such information adds to the picture. Thanks again.
..... Regards, Adrian.
 

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Aberdeenshire / Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Friday 02 March 18 01:47 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Sir or Madam,
..... Thanks for that response. The Spanish Shipwreck story is common around Boddam where the Cordiners, Philips and Stevens families predominate. Research suggests that even in Scotland, there was little sympathy for Spanish sailors at the time of the Armada, but the gun-running story and the later date for the sinking of the Santa Catherina (Santa Caterina) all fit in with the story of the sailors being saved and homed by the locals.
..... Regards, Adrian.
 

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Thursday 01 March 18 12:59 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Harry,
..... Thank you for that information, it is good to know. This message will be my third posting.
Regards, Adrian.

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Aberdeenshire / Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Thursday 01 March 18 01:35 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Margaret,
..... Thanks for your message. I have taken an Ancestry DNA test and seem to remember seeing the name Stebbing as one of my distant matches, but I have not got around to contacting any of those distant matches as yet. I will need to re-visit the website.
..... I tried to attach a couple of my family trees to this message, but the website will only accept  txt, rtf, jpg, jpeg, gif, pdf, mpg, png and ged attachments. I started my genealogy research long before any of these were available and put my first trees onto Lotus 123 version one, when it became available. I have updated the spreadsheets over the years and they are currently on Microsoft Excel spreadsheets, which are not on the list.
..... I do not know if these RootsChat.com messages are public or private, so I do not want to publicise my e-mail address, but I live in Scarborough, Yorkshire, England and I am the only person in this town with my surname. If you phone me, I will quickly give you my e-mail address and I can reply to you with the Hawthorn, Cordiner and other family trees attached if you message me using it.
..... Regards, Adrian Hanwell.
 

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Aberdeenshire / Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Wednesday 28 February 18 20:22 GMT (UK)  »
..... Oops! Correction.
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The Santa Catherina foundered on the Aberdeenshire coast in about 1598 (as stated) but the Spanish Armada sailed in 1588 and not 1598. This error was caused by brain failure. Sorry.
..... Regards, Adrian.
 

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