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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Looking for people called Hurdley
« on: Friday 16 July 21 15:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi cacran,
I posted the information re Veronica Hurdley on your other thread.
It is helpful to link to other information as we tend to go off and start searching around.
You have quite rightly mentioned 1939 register but it wouldn’t take long for replication of the previous information to be posted here by people trying to help and it would be a waste of their time.
It might well be that the death certificate is needed to see who reported the death. There seem to be a lot of Hurdleys in Yorkshire  :-\
Heywood

Thank you for explaining. I did not expect people to go out of their way to look for me, I just thought that on the off chance, someone else might have her in their tree.

I have completed a tree on Ancestry so that Veronica's son can at least get some information about his mother and others in her family. I will mention to him about getting death certificates etc. when I meet up with him.

I have had a couple of responses that appear to be a bit unkind, maybe could have been worded a bit
better.

Things may seem obvious when you already know the way things work.

Thank you for the information that you kindly gave me. I will, Wharfedale is just on the outskirts of Bradford so think it is likely to be right.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: 1939 census advice
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 20:47 BST (UK)  »

This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.


When and where do you have these marriages taking place

I don't have a record, just that on George Edwards birth certificate, Veronica was names as Veronica Mary Sparks formerly Jones. I make the assumption. I have been trying to find a record of these marriages.

First rule of Family History - Never make assumptions ;D

Should also point out that your grandfather was NOT a bigamist, unless he married someone whilst already married to someone else.

He may have had affairs; he may have lived with another woman; he may have fathered children with different women; but he wasn't a bigamist.
I am looking for details on Veronica Mary Jones
I have found her on the 1939 census.

There wasn't a census in 1939! ;D

I think what you are referring to was the 1939 National Register.

A census is a snapshot of where people were on a single specific night.
The 1939 Register was kept updated until the 1990's; mainly by the NHS.

So firstly I was wrong about calling the National Register a census. Now you are telling my that my grandfather was NOT a bigamist.

I found a marriage between him and another woman in 1950, he was still married to my Grandmother when he died in 1971 as the government had to track her down. I am pretty certain that he wasn't a guy who took his responsibilites seriously, that's for sure.

That is two people on this forum who don't seem to be very nice.



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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Looking for people called Hurdley
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 20:34 BST (UK)  »
I did not have the information regarding me having found someone called the same name, who had died in Wharfedale at the time I originally posted. I put this on a specific West Yorkshire board, not the same as my last request.

I have not bought a birth certificate/ death certificate/marriage certificate etc as I have paid a subscription to Ancestry hoping that I would be able to find something. I am trying to find this out for a person who until last week was a complete stranger to me. I have never met the poor man. I hope to in the near future. It is him who is looking for his real parents.

Sarcasm is not productive either!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Looking for people called Hurdley
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 16:31 BST (UK)  »
I have been looking into the whereabouts of a lady called Veronica Mary Jones.

Found on 1939 register that she changed her surname to Sparks, the Hurdley. She was from Birmingham.

She later lived in Bradford, West Yorkshire.

I found a record of death in Wharfedale for a Veronica M Hurdley. Think this may be her. Can't find any proof though. ???

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: 1939 census advice
« on: Saturday 10 July 21 22:15 BST (UK)  »
It is not looking likely that she married either of her 'husbands'.  She would not have had to prove that she was married when she registered the birth

Isn't it strange that you could put whatever name you like on a birth certificate? What would make the authorities put another surname on 1939 register. Wouldn't they have to have seen proof either?

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: 1939 census advice
« on: Saturday 10 July 21 16:44 BST (UK)  »

This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.


When and where do you have these marriages taking place

I don't have a record, just that on George Edwards birth certificate, Veronica was names as Veronica Mary Sparks formerly Jones. I make the assumption. I have been trying to find a record of these marriages.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: 1939 census advice
« on: Saturday 10 July 21 13:02 BST (UK)  »
Can you include her birthdate from the 1939 entry.  You have posted on the WR Yorkshire board but say she lived in Birmingham?  Can you clarify?

Are you saying the 1939 entry is under Jones but with 2 subsequent surname changes?

EDIT - Have now found the entry

Veronica  was born 14th May 1916.

She was on the Birmingham 1939 record living with her family.

She is shown on birth certificate as being the wife of Stanley Alfred Sparks. He was my Grandfather. He was from London. He left his wife and family, never returning to them after the war. The next they hear of him was when he turned up  at his wife's who now lived in Bradford, Yorkshire,with his girlfriend, Veronica and they had a baby boy. Him and Veronica left the baby boy with my Grandma to bring up. Then the baby, who was a boy about age 9, was adopted by a couple.
This boy has been trying to find out who his parents were, he is 75 now. He would be my Uncle. I have been traced by a friend of his.
This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.
I have discovered that she was in Bradford in the early to mid 60's so want to find what happened, who she married and where they lived.
I just want to help out.


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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: 1939 census advice
« on: Saturday 10 July 21 11:20 BST (UK)  »
There is a death for Veronica M Hurdley, 1968, Wharfedale.
Maybe it is her  :-\

Thankyou, looks promising.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: 1939 census advice
« on: Saturday 10 July 21 11:20 BST (UK)  »
There was another in green, Hurdley says CR283 9/1/59 Bradford.

BRA is the district code for Staines in Middlesex.

https://www.findmypast.com.au/articles/1939-register-enumeration-districts

A CR283 is the form used to notify of a name change.  She didn't have to be married to change her name, she may have been just using that surname at the time.

The other looks like it starts with a 'K' and all of the K codes are in Yorkshire.

Debra  :)

Thanks for the information. It will help me out in future.

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