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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Bristol Directories 1850s - Platnauer
« on: Tuesday 08 June 21 17:36 BST (UK)  »
In 1851 Michael Joseph Platnauer and Samuel Platnauer were in partnership as J&S Platnauer.  They were clock manufacturers, watchmakers and supplied tools and materials to others in those trades.  By 1858 they had brought their younger brothers, George and Louis into the firm and were known as Platnauer Brothers. I am trying to find out in which year(s) George and Louis joined.  If anyone has access to Bristol Directories in the period 1852 to 1857 and could see how the firm was styled in those years I would be very grateful.

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Today I visited the grave of Robert Abraham Phillips, the celebrated "art goldsmith" because I was still uncertain about his birth year.  I examined the lettering on the stone very carefully to make sure that the 1810 was not 1816 and I am sure it is not.  Only a partial transcription is given on the Billion Graves website so here is a full transcription.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
ROBERT PHILLIPS
BORN MAY 25TH 1810   DIED APRIL 21 1881
HE SHALL ENTER INTO PEACE
                                      ISIAH CHAP LV11 V2

AND OF HELEN HIS WIFE
BORN JULY 28 1821   DIED JULY 1 1887
BLESSED ARE THE PURE IN HEART FOR THEY SHALL SEE GOD
                                                                                  ST MATT V

ALSO OF EUGENIE PHILLIPS THEIR DEARLY LOVED DAUGHTER
BORN 1ST FEBRUARY 1858    DIED 10TH MAY 1910
LOVE, SWEETNESS, GOODNESS, IN HER PERSON SHONE

SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF SIR CLAUDE PHILLIPS BA
BORN JANUARY 30TH 1846   DIED AUGUST 9TH 1924
GOD SHALL WIPE AWAY ALL TEARS FROM THEIR EYES

Does anyone know where Claude got his BA or what for?  If he had been to Oxford or Cambridge I would have expected an MA.

David

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Dear All,

I have been looking at some images of the jewelry of the Phillips Brothers on the web.  It is stunning stuff at eye-watering prices.  And I discovered that he had top notch customers.

Jewels discovered in Thebes in 1859 were exhibited in London in 1863.  At much the same time the Prince of Wales (the future King Edward VII) visited Thebes.  On his return he married Princess Alexandra of Denmark.  He commissioned Robert Phillips to create a suite of jewels based on the Egyptian discoveries as a wedding gift to his bride.  In a marble bust of the Princess of Wales by Mary Thornycroft the only ornament that she is wearing is a scarab brooch by Robert Phillips.

With his skill and the status that must have come with supplying Royal customers he was very well set up by the mid 1860s.

David

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Dear Leonard,

What little information I have about Frances as Joseph's first wife is earlier in this thread towards the end of reply #80.  I am keen to lean more myself.

Regards, David

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I have been re-reading some of the earlier posts with the benefit of my (now) better understanding of the family and there is a loose end that I would like to follow up.  In Reply #80 Justin said:

"Only yesterday, I discovered that Joseph Phillips had previously been married to Frances Friedeberg, i.e. Esther's sister. Frances died or was buried on 6 Sep 1834. Her address was Merthyr Tydfil !!"

Could someone help me with the source of this information?  Do we know if Joseph and Frances had any children?  I assume that they lived in London because of Joseph's work there so why did Frances die in Merthyr? (although it is on a route between family in Swansea and family in Abergavenny.)  What else do we know about Esther and Frances's family?

Regards,

David

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Helen Levy's brother, Joseph Moses Levy, was known nationally as the successful proprietor of the Daily Telegraph.  I realise we are getting slightly off-piste here but I was not expecting to find a press baron in the family and thought you might be interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Moses_Levy

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Sir Claude Phillips, the first Keeper of the Wallace Collection, was probably the most distinguished son of Robert Abraham Phillips and Helen Levy.  Here is his Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Phillips

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Annie's wartime work organising over 200 concerts for the Red Cross.

https://vad.redcross.org.uk/Card?fname=Annie&sname=schletter&id=184500&first=true&last=true

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It was mentioned a few pages back that Abraham Phillips's youngest daughter, Helen, married Martin Carl Schletter of Birmingham in 1843.  He had been born in Loslau, Silesia in Prussia about 1804 and, according to his naturalisation papers filed in 1853, he had resided in Birmingham from about 1833. He manufactured brass bedsteads for a while, then colours and settled as a general merchant.  He must have traveled abroad quite a bit judging from the number of passports that he applied for and he died overseas in Venice on 27 December 1861.  Martin did well financially, leaving an estate worth over £4 million in 2020 pounds.  Helen and Martin had at least four children: Pauline (b 16 September 1845), Henry (b 13 July 1847), Amelia (b 31 March 1854) and Percy (b 4 August 1855) who were baptised together at St Marks Marylebone on 16 March 1859. 

I don't know what happened to the other children but Percy married a ship-owner's daughter in Liverpool in 1896 and went on to become a Colonel in the British Army.  He died in Angola and here is his memorial in Toxteth Park Cemetery:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/183643282/percy-schletter

Culturally there is quite a journey from Abraham's father to his grandson, Percy.

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