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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Thursday 15 November 18 16:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Anita
Our Kent Luckhurst line merged with our Wye Austens when Sarah bap 18 Nov 1722 Little Chart Kt married John Luckhurst (bap 18 Nov 1716 Hothfield Kt) on 6 Jan 1742 Pluckley Kt. From Sarah I then tracked our Austens from her father John Austen (bap 30 May 1680 Charing Kt) down the paternal line via Valentine Austen (bap 22 Jan 1631 Wye Kt, his father Valentine Austen (bap 31 Aug 1595 Chilham Kt) then his father Matthew Austen (bap 6 Sep 1652 Adisham Kt) to his father Richard Austen (b. 1512 Wickhambreux Kt) onto our Robert Austyen (b. 1479 Adisham Kt) and finally to Robert Austyn (b. ca 1445).  So you can see that although some of our Austens lived in Wye they were earlier than your Robert ~1660 and ours only lived in that Parish for 2-3 generations. Our Austens had proven wills which allowed me to track back before the inception of Parish Registers (PR) 1538.
May I suggest you join Kent Family History Society (KFHS) who have a much broader knowledge of the Austens and could post any queries you have among other members - with a number of members down under.
The Austens were a well known Kent family reaching respectable social standing. Our line had 50 children in 6 generations which shows even after the 50% fatality rate to adulthood creates quite a number of permutations, then the conundrum is identical given names similar generation and ages and same or adjacent parishes, making individual distinction difficult unless wills have been made.
Good luck
Terry
PS I forgot about the poor transcriptions, that's why I use KFHS transcribed PRs, although they do not have all parishes yet. If your line ventures near Hothfield Kt there is a good record or paper called Hothfield Memories that took me on another of our Luckhurst half bloodline a further 3 generations back.   

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Saturday 08 September 18 14:18 BST (UK)  »
Elizabeth
I think my keyboard is having a Great Vowel Shift or I am.
The craft of Thomas Shefe was "marbeler" - difficult to find it on searches almost akin to a stone mason....but they had their guilds, also their craftsman marks were local, his being Norwich. Also the marble came from Dorset Purbeck and not Wales.
Terry 

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Saturday 08 September 18 13:46 BST (UK)  »
Elizabeth
Thomas Shefe (b abt 1440) was a "marbler" - I just note when I repeated it here it tends to want to lose the last "r".   

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Saturday 08 September 18 13:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi Elizabeth
Well if you relate back to Alexander Sheaffe bp 15 Dec 1566 Cranbrook m. Phebe Hyder Sep 1591 Cranbrook, as you say his parents Thomas (bp 1532) and Mary (nee Harmon) are well documented and 15 children too. Then continue back projecting via Richard Sheaffe (bap 1505, Cranbrook) then Thomas (bap 1470, Norwich Norfolk clothier, draper) till the line ends as far as I can see with his father Thomas Shefe (Sheff) b abt 1440 Norwich who was a "marble" - Pembroke Marble - his work is spread around the church corbels in Norwich probably even where he was interred at St George Tombland Norwich - right next to the cathedral. His craftsman mark is on his ledger stone.
Terry

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Friday 07 September 18 11:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi All
I am a member of the Kent Family History Society (KFHS). While working a case on the Kent Bartons, namely Thomas (father) John (son) of Charing Kent, I could not back project from John's bap. With the absence of Hadlow PRs I searched the principal (highest populated and population density communities) to try and discover the early life profile of Thomas. The one Parish that I could not access online or in the KFHS PR transcriptions prior to 1836 was Hadlow. I enquired (May 18) with Kent History & Library Centre who advised that a Hadlow PR digitisation (transcription) was in progress and would be available on public domain mid 2019. I exhausted all the available East Peckham and Hadlow wills that were available. These I doubt would not be sufficient to cover the full profiles of your subject ancestors. I have kept my Barton case open pending Hadlow PRs and possible pre dated PR records till mid 2019 

Another of our lineages is the Sheaffes, but the Thomas Sheaffe on my line is the generation before yours he's the son (bap 1587) Richard Sheaffe  -  where our line takes his brother Edmund. From KFHS PR there are 3 potential Thos Sheaffes at Cranbrook for the marriage to Sarah 1. bap 1587 s/o Richard, 2. bap 1588 no father recorded, 3. bap 1592 s/o Alex. 

Looking back on my Austen lineage I have the same life profile for Elizabeth as you up to the point that Valentine died in 1651. Thereafter I have no trace, but did not search too hard as she and this Valentine's second marriage was not on my direct lineage.

I can also concur re the Sheaffe and Knatchbull relationship as our Richard Sheaffe's Jun 1557 will states two daughters Joan and Anne marrying into the Knatchbull family.

Terry

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Thursday 08 February 18 15:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Matt
Sorry to bother you again, but just before I move onto Robert Austen (b ca1479) I have noted a possible conflict of burial sites for Matthew Austen. In his will he asked to be buried at Chilham. But in his widow's will 2 yrs later she asked to buried near him at Wye, where she was later interred. The Wye Parish burial registers have a record of Thomasine but NOT Matthew. Not a major problem for my purposes but I would like to be accurate. Do you have a source citation for Matthew's burial place? Without any other record one can argue for both Wye and Chilham, ie did his Exec carry out his wish or was Thomasine correct? No MIs at either of the two sites.

I noted that Matthew and Thomasine had amassed quite a family. I have recorded eight probably nine with good source citation, re:Tyler Index. But their early records were inconsistent with some baptisms not providing the given name of the father - with many Austens in and around adjacent parishes it makes it difficult to pigeon hole them. I also note that Tyler Index has a hiatus 1640-1660 (Civil War and Interregnum period) which doesn't help. Do you have a full verified list of their children?

I think I will hit this Austen line buffers with Robert (Richard's father) as records are becoming increasingly difficult to come by prior to 1538, unless MIs have survived and wills were written. Do you have a link to any will Robert may have produced?

Best regards
Terry

PS I am not my own cousin yet!


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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Wednesday 07 February 18 00:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Matt
Many thanks for the update. I have from Tyler Index Kent Wills those for Matthew (1562-1640) his wife Thomasin (abt 1563-1642) and Valentine (1595-1651).

I cannot find any source for the early marriage of Valentine before Jane Terrall and the first child I have for them is Matthew bp 24 March 1627 followed by another Matthew (elder died?) bp Oct 1629. I also came across a burial of a Thomasin 9 Oct 1630 but could not find a baptism. However as you said there are a plethora of Austens living in the same and adjacent parishes of similar generation, given names and ages - difficult to discern. As the saying goes, if you spend a lot of time researching your ancestors you end up finding out that you are your own cousin!!

My project is to research the four major bloodlines from my grandparents which are Luckhurst, Marchant, Crittenden and Morris ostensibly patrilineal until I hit the authentication buffers. Then my second phase is to track back and take the half bloodline branches taking the wife's father and trace  back patrilineal until I hit the authentication buffers. I have limited myself to only two such transfers to ensure the relationship is not too remote. But surprisingly I have made it back to the 12th generation with full provenance on the Luckhurst bloodline with one transfer, but have yet four more earlier branches to take, although one the Bournes will reappear three generations earlier. In the process I research the parishes for historical and QI facts along with hopefully supporting historic images and maps. The other task was to carry out a mini demographic analysis of all the ancestors on the direct line back to 1837 when civil registration started and a few years later the National Census to see the effect of the Industrial Revolution. This involved obtaining nearly 300 personal events from GRO £££££! So you can see that my project is not so much a family tree as my branching forms more like a poplar tree. After one year my draft write up (don't want to call it a book) has exceeded 320 pages.

My immediate goal is to trace back our Austens as far as I can with sound provenance. So linking  a series of  fathers and sons is the goal and at this time I am addressing Matthew and Thomasin. Does she have a maiden name? I make a record of progenies but only baptism and burial unless a QI fact surfaces.

Best Regards
Terry


 

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Tuesday 06 February 18 17:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Matt
Thanks for your quick reply. Just to say that my interest is in the Luckhurst lineage and having halted at William Lucas (Luckhurst bp May 1636 Charing Kent) I am now proceeding down each of the half bloodlines; the Austens emerge at John Luckhurst's (bp Nov 1716) wife Sarah Austen (bp Nov 1722 Little Chart). So progressing back from Sarah I have reached Matthew Austen (1562-1640) and have nearly all the provenance which you and Susan have been discussing...very  interesting and impressive. I got stuck with Elizabeth Austen (nee Sheaffe) at Valentine's July 1651 will and probate and have not established her final outcome, ie remarriage or death as a widow. But essentially for what I am doing Elizabeth's fate does not affect my patrilineal Austen line, although its nice to close out someone. My project also covers the background of the places that all ancestors relate to by their three personal events. In doing so it has become almost a book with quite a lot of QI accounts. Best Regards Terry

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Kent / Re: The Sheafe family of Wye
« on: Monday 05 February 18 20:54 GMT (UK)  »
I am not sure if this topic is extant. But I checked the Wye Parish Registers on line and there is no christening/baptism record for a Matthew Austen 1 Nov 1615. I also checked the Kent Parish Tyler Index for Wye and no record there either. 

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