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Durham / Re: Interested in Others Opinions on my Research
« on: Monday 31 March 25 14:49 BST (UK)  »
     Hmm ok well here's my first impression. It doesnt fit my meticulousness, but I have always understood their older ages.

     Nothing Ive proved but in Houghton-Le-Spring Agnes (Cook) Garthwaite's will says she married John Garthwaite "The Younger" and marriage record does show they married 1796. So without any research and with just a quick thought including that John and Dorothy are older. That MAYBE John Garthwaite "The Younger" followed his father John Garthwaite whom married Dorothy English to Houghton-Le-Spring and John Garthwaite "The Younger" could be from a first marriage John Garthwaite had before Dorothy. Just a quick assumption, nothing to run away with.

     Also the other 3 children were recorded as Barbara Garthwait, George Garthwaite, and Thomas Garthwaite; why the Garforth in the middle. I got 5 Garforth's to show up on familysearch in Houghton-Le-Spring. So it is a legit family, yes because of Garforths being also of their I guess it could of had been misrecorded, but then like you said you'd have to assume everyone is just "lying" about there age, which Im not saying doesnt happen. But just because you're in your 50s doesnt mean you cant have kids. John and Dorothy being of such age could of been a contribute maybe as to why Thomas died under a year, maybe not though too.

     I mean its also uncommon to get above the age of 90 back then as well and they both did that.

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Durham / Interested in Others Opinions on my Research
« on: Sunday 30 March 25 19:43 BST (UK)  »
Hello Everyone,

     I try to be really meticulous with my research and to not "make up scenarios". So here's the deal I have a John Garthwaite and from looking online 1) there are ton of John Garthwaites 2) Ive seen so many people mix up all of these John Garthwaites in their Trees. Let it be known that Ive been trying to put this together since 2018 haha and I THINK I finally have it, so here it is.

     So I think I confirmed Birth years and Death Dates for John Garthwaite and Dorothy (English) Garthwaite.  John Garthwaite ["Native of Wolsingham" - written on his son Thomas' burial Parish Record] married Dorothy English Jan. 1, 1788 in Houghton-Le-Spring by banns. Researching brings up Daughter Barbara Garthwaite b.1788, Son George Garthwaite 1791/1793, Son Thomas b. 1798 d. 1799. Looking at the records there are at least 2 other John Garthwaite's in Houghton at the same time as Our John. A John Garthwaite whom married Agnes Cook and their son John Garthwaite [as told is Agnes Garthwaite's Will plus 2 docs confirming the marriage]. Well the only burial in Houghton-Le-Spring for a John Garthwaite is April 5th, 1832 'of Houghton Age 90. Good information. But when searching for Dorothy Garthwaite there is no Dorothy Garthwaite burial in Houghton-Le-Spring. So open up the search wider to County Durham in general and you find a Dorothy Garthwaite on 2 records, a 1841 census in Yarm and a 1841 burial in Yarm. Our Dorothy Garthwaite? Well the 1841 censes record looks like she is just solo not listed with anyone else but is aged as 94. But the census has each persons house hold attached to a id number so in 1841 Dorothy household Id number is shared with 2 other people Benjamin Ord age 36 and Ann Ord age 40 in Yarm. Who the heck are these people. Originally I thought maybe John died in 1832 when she would have been 85 so maybe she needed taken care of by some people possibly not family. BUT keep looking and well Benjamin Ord is a Ord not a Garthwaite so maybe Ann's maiden name is Garthwaite; so I searched for Ann Garthwaite with a Spouse of Benjamin Ord and well well look at what pops up Ann Garthwaith [obvious misspelling while transcribing] married Benjamin Ord November 8th, 1824 in HOUGHTON-LE-SPRING! So what do we have here? What we have is confirmation that John Garthwaite died in 1832 at the age of 90 putting his birth year at 1742 [information we did not previously have]. After John died Dorothy age 85 goes and moves in with her daughter Ann (Garthwaite) Ord in Yarm. Lucky for us Dorothy decided to live long enough to be written down in the first England census in 1841 where she is age 94 then dies July 13th, 1841 in Yarm; putting Dorothy's birth year at 1747. Not only did Ann's marriage help with the maiden name but the location of her marriage in Houghton-Le-Spring was the big hit and tie in, being that their whole family was of there. Ann in the census was listed as age 40 putting her born 1801. Searching for Ann Garthwaite daughter of John and Dorothy Garthwaite in Houghton-Le-Spring I didnt find anything; and neither has anyone else ever, since a 4th child has never been put down for John and Dorothy. Im not sure why she doesnt have her birth/baptism/christening documented or at least searchable online but it took all the way until 1841 in the first census to find out John and Dorothy had a 4th child/second daughter. So what next? Now with figuring out what happened with John and Dorothy and their dates we go on a witch hunt for John's parents. Quick peak around though and John Garthwaite "native of Wolsingham" born 1742 has not yet provided results. But just as long as it took me to find this all out I will too hopefully find that out.

      p.s. A rumor passed down from the family is that once John and Dorothy's son George died in 1822 [confirmed by records] that grandpa came to help raise George's children a bit since their mom was now on her own until she remarried Joseph Simpson.

Thanks for any feedback. Im worried I might be wrong somewhere with John because ive never had luck finding John's birth and Parents. A few about 1741/1742 and plus or minus a few years John Garthwaite's show up in searching but Im not sure yet. Also Im almost 100% it's not John Douse/Douce Garthwaite born 1741 and died prisoner of war at Valenciennes, France on Feb. 4, 1814.


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Durham / 1700s Brick Wall County Durham, England
« on: Wednesday 20 December 23 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
I'm at a brick wall in the 1700s England and I am trying to find parents for a Male ancestor (John Garthwaite). All we have is his Marriage(1788) and birth/christening of his kids. Looking at his average birth date range, his name (John Garthwaite) is too common in the area with multiple men showing up; and possibly none of those are even him. Either way we are trying to research these records/documents to find him or his parents; How do you 100% prove it's this or that person? The ancestors name (John Garthwaite) is popular enough in the area that I could make up several scenarios and still could be wrong or accidently forming false "stories". Ive formed many different scenario stories in my head while reasearching couldnt PROVE any of them, so I know nothing of him prior to his marriage. So many family members have different scenarios attached to their trees thinking these people or those people are his parents and NONE of it has been PROVED. "Proof" is key to me and my family history research.

tldr; Im looking for the parents (WITH PROOF) of John Garthwaite (native to Wolsingham) who married Dorothy English (native to West Harle, Northumberland) on Jan. 1st, 1788 in Houghton-le-spring, England.


Garthwaite Family History in England:
⦁   John Garthwaite marries Dorothy English on Janurary 1st, 1788 in Houghton Le Spring, England by banns
⦁   John and Dorothy Garthwaite have their first and only daughter Barbara Garthwaite, she had her christening on November 30th, 1788 in Houghton Le Spring, England
⦁   John and Dorothy Garthwaite have their first son George Garthwaite, he had his christening on October 20th, 1793 in Houghton Le Spring, England. Most Likely born in 1791 though based on ages.
⦁   John and Dorothy Garthwait have their second son Thomas Garthwaite, he had his christening  on October 25th, 1798 in Houghton Le Spring, England
⦁   Thomas Garthwaite son of John and Dorothy Garthwaite dies May 21st, 1799 and is buried May 23rd, 1799 in Houghton Le Spring, England
**On Thomas' parish records John Garthwaite is written as Native to Wolsingham and Dorothy as Native to West Harle, Northumberland**
⦁   George Garthwaite, son of John and Dorothy Garthwaite, gets married to Mary Laws/Lawes on September 16th, 1812 in Wolviston-Billingham, England
⦁   George Garthwaite, son of John and Dorothy Garthwaite, is a butcher for his occupation on sons marraige record
⦁   George and Mary Garthwaite have their first son John Martin Garthwaite on November 23rd, 1812 in Trimdon, England of this Parish, he was baptised December 2nd, 1812 in Trimdon, England
⦁   George and Mary Garthwaite have their second son George Garthwaite, he was baptised on March 26th, 1815 in Trimdon , England as abode.
⦁   George and Mary Garthwaite have their first and only daughter Elizabeth Garthwaite, she was baptised on August 10th, 1817 in Trimdon, England as abode.
⦁   George and Mary Garthwaite have their third son Benjamin Garthwaite, he was baptised on August 14th, 1818 in Trimdon, England as abode.
⦁   George and Mary Garthwaite have their fourth son Edward Garthwaite, he was baptised on August 15th 1821 in Trimdon, England as abode.
⦁   George Garthwaite is buried on April 4th, 1822 in Trimdon, England as abode. Rumor has it George Garthwaite died from injuries recieved from falling off a horse while riding
⦁   Mary Garthwaite remarries Joseph Simpson in August 1829 in Trimdon, England of this parish.
⦁   Mary and Joseph Simpson have a daughter Mary Ann Simpson born October 14, 1829 in Trimdon, England
⦁   Mary Simpson previously known as Mary Garthwaite is buried April 26th 1834 in Trimdon, England as abode.
⦁   George Garthwaite, son of George and Mary Garthwaite, is buried on April 25th, 1835 in Trimdon, England as abode.
⦁   Benjamin Garthwaite, son of George and Mary Garthwaite, gets married to Isabella Bruce on July 14th, 1839 in Stockton , England as residence. Benjamin Garthwaite's occupation was a blacksmith
⦁   John Martin Garthwaite, son of George and Mary Garthwaite, gets married to his first of two wives Frances Walton in the 4th quarter of 1839 in Stockton, England as marraige place and registration district.
⦁   Elizabeth Garthwaite marries James Laidlaw on November 3, 1838 in Trimdon Parish Church
⦁   Elizabeth and James Laidlaw have their daughter Mary Laidlaw September 13, 1840
⦁   Elizabeth Laidlaw dies September 22, 1840 due to birthing daughter
⦁   John Martin Garthwaite and Frances have their first child John George Garthwaite birth registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1841 with event place of Stockton, Durham, England
⦁   Edward Garthwaite, son of George and Mary Garthwaite, gets married to Margaret Blenkinsop on March 5th, 1842 in Auckland St. Andrew, England with Middleston/Middleton as Residence. Edwards occupation was a shoemaker
⦁   In 1846 brothers John Martin Garthwaite, Benjamin Garthwaite, and Edward Garthwaite take their families on a ship called Envoy and move to The United States of America arriving June 3, 1846 in New York, New York.

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One Name Studies: A to G / Re: Garthwaite Weardale
« on: Tuesday 06 February 18 18:02 GMT (UK)  »
Super late to the conversation but this is also my family. My family is related to the John that is brother to this Benjamin. If my info is correct we are Trimdon, Wolsingham, and most likely Brancpeth. Also I think i have at least a Weardale death.

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Durham / Garthwaite Durham County
« on: Monday 05 February 18 10:16 GMT (UK)  »
Alright I am stuck.
Jonathan Garthwaite born approx. 1738 death 1802. Married to Mary Harrison. I Know his son was born in Wolsingham 1769 John Garthwaite. John of 1769 had George Garthwaite in Houghton LeSprings 1791. And then George had all 4 of his kids in Trimdon.

I am desperatley trying to go back as far as I can and am having no luck with Jonathan Garthwaite of 1738-1802. I can see him pop up during research but NOTHING anywhere on who his parents are.

Help Please. Reply on here.

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