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Ireland / Re: Irish Ancestry
« on: Thursday 16 February 06 19:45 GMT (UK)  »
thanks again Pat! keeping this one running! :)

My Roe gang seem to have stopped along the road (railway?) to Southport at Elswick, got married, died etc gone to Southport, back to Elswick (same gardening job) and returned and finally settled in Southport!

 In Elswick and then in Southport and back again if you see what I mean, they are gardeners and then later fixed occupations linked to the railway (up to and including my grandfather) - then strangely my Dad (Roe side of the family) though he escaped his heritage ( railway trade by this time!)and made it to an extended education! guess what.. he marries a market gardener's daughter! Blimey, race memory is the term that springs to mind...

But I know the obvious more recent stuff, want to go back to Ireland!

Ahh... good luck to anyone else hitting the Ireland word! and big thanks for help here trying to work it all out.
I know that I really do have to go and try some serious research now, rather than hoping that there is an easy forum answer! :-[

Amanda

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Ireland / Re: Irish Ancestry
« on: Tuesday 14 February 06 18:56 GMT (UK)  »
Cheers!

Have had a really interesting time looking at workhouse history and records- just hate the word imbecile and the workhouse system!( Oh and thanks to younger Solomon maybe I can assume Armagh and move back a bit further.

If I have any great discoveries or find any helpful links etc will let you know. I am now really interested in the slow move in the case of my family from Cumbria to Southport (not Manchester or other industrial town!... Am now off to look what I can find out about rail links!- The family entirely change occupation somewhere between the two places- suddenly they are gardeners!)

thanks for all the help  :)

Best wishes

Amanda

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Ireland / Re: Irish Ancestry
« on: Monday 13 February 06 16:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Pat

I had thought that Hannah was probably a daughter of Sarah rather than Solomon as listed.On the census (1851!) Solomon is alsoliving with Mary,same age,listed as wife. I can't find either Solomon or Mary on 1861 census in UK but can find another child (my line)  and a couple of doors away another Solomon who then in 1871 and 1881 and 1901 is an 'imbecile' in the workhouse. He has a father called George, born Armagh, who from ages I wondered about being a son or brother of my Solomon.

Any way, I am going to revisit the whole thing and see if there is a solution looking me in the face! Oh, and get to look at baptismal records asap!

good advice, many thanks.

Amanda

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Ireland / Re: Irish Ancestry
« on: Wednesday 08 February 06 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the input you all! in particular Pat- thanks! Very useful advice and thanks for reading my ramble! Another to follow! ::)

I made a mistake- put 1837 rather than 1847 as their Cockermouth arrival time,also 1851 rather than 1841 census info. :-[

Also forgot to say-   :-[ I did get the birth certificate for Hannah born in Cockermouth ( GRO)- listed as daughter of my Solomon (born Ireland 1799)-  not sure if it was the right one- dates and name fit, when I got the cert the place (Butts Fold) also fits, but parents were not the people I was expecting to find based on the 1851 census (not 41 as stated earlier- sorry). Hannah on the cert is listed re mother Sarah (on the census there is also a Sarah daughter of Solomon)

It could be the wrong cert or could it be that the child Hannah was daughter of Sarah- who is census listed as daughter of Solomon, rather than Hannah actually being daughter of Solomon? ( I guess they could have said that the young child was their own, rather than their daugters's child?)I guess there could have been many socialor possibly immigration /poor law reasons to do this? Or it could simply be that i ordered the only certificate that seemed to be the right one,but was wrong! :-\

I hope this makes sense...

But anyway- Solomon and Sarah (his daughter) are both born Ireland, I have the 'daughter' - Hannah- born in Cockermouth - cert - (if it is the right one- but seemed like the only one!)  doesn't help re religion, denomination or place of origin. AAAHH!

As yet I have not had an opportunity to check Cockermouth baptism records (I am not in the area) but I guess checking records for all church denominations for the right year for Hannah the Cockermouth born child is my next step, visit Cockermouth! Then come back for more help from you gang!

Thanks again, good advice,reaaly heled to clarify thoughts and course of action- need to get to Cumbria and check out parish records!

Best wishes

Amanda

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Cumberland / Re: Irish immigrants to UK
« on: Sunday 05 February 06 19:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hello-

I'm new here  and quite new to all of this! I have read this thread with interest and found it really helpful. I have a few questions and hope someone can help... long post to follow..


Sorry to resart an old thread but it has been really useful to me!I have posted this on the link mentioned above and have also pasted it here- sorry I don't know how to do links!

1. I know my family are living in Cockermouth Cumbria from 1841 census, they are listed as from Ireland...yawn..it seems like here I have the same problems as many of you describe in the thread!

I have searched surrounding addresses and have found people with the same name and others born in Ireland and some listed as born in Down and Armagh.

Is it a safe assumption that my gang also came from one of these Counties? (I am making that assumption based on advice /experience mentioned in this thread).

2. Re getting to Cockermouth-  I am also assuming that my family went there direcly from Ireland rather than via Liverpool. Do you think this is a reasonable assumption?

I am basing this idea on the back of there seeming to be various  trade and other routes fromBelfast area to Scotland, Whitehaven etc at the time of their arrival- Famine years probably 1837 (daughter born in Cockermouth registered as age 3 on the 1841 census). Also my gang were weavers in Cockermouth- there seem to have been trade links re flax in Ireland? Maybe this was the connection re Cockermouth flax merchants?
Would you be thinking along the same lines?

3. i have no idea re there religion- I am tracing my Dad's ancestors- we, he, and his family seem to have had no religious affiliation. Can I make any assumptions re if they came from Armagh or Down? If so how do I proceed to trace them whilst still in Ireland?

4.There are various census and certificate versions of their name- Row/Roe / Rowe? Can the name help me in any way re Irish ancestry and denomination or area of origin?

5. I had a great time visiting Cockermouth whilst on holiday last year! I had a look at and found out about how horrible the area where they lived was back then, but got nowhere re appropriate records, visiting graveyards etc (twas an all too short visit!). Any advice re specific records I should look for? These could be in Cockermouth,also if I get that far searching in Ireland- I intend to do a holiday later in the year so would really like to know where to proceed next in my search!

6. Finally...!  Any ideas in light of above re tracing the earliest of the Row / Roe etc gang- Solomon and Mary both born around 1799? (Ireland!) And can I draw any info re religion from their names?

What can I say other than thanks for reading and for any advice!

Best wishes

Amanda

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Ireland / Re: Irish Ancestry
« on: Sunday 05 February 06 19:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hello-

I'm new here  and quite new to all of this! I have read this thread with interest and found it really helpful. I have a few questions and hope someone can help... long post to follow.. :-[

1. I know my family are living in Cockermouth Cumbria from 1841 census, they are listed as from Ireland...yawn..it seems like here I have the same problems as many of you describe in the thread!

I have searched surrounding addresses and have found people with the same name and others born in Ireland and some listed as born in Down and Armagh.

Is it a safe assumption that my gang also came from one of these Counties? (I am making that assumption based on advice /experience mentioned in this thread).

2. Re getting to Cockermouth-  I am also assuming that my family went there direcly from Ireland rather than via Liverpool. Do you think this is a reasonable assumption?

I am basing this idea on the back of there seeming to be various  trade and other routes fromBelfast area to Scotland, Whitehaven etc at the time of their arrival- Famine years probably 1837 (daughter born in Cockermouth registered as age 3 on the 1841 census). Also my gang were weavers in Cockermouth- there seem to have been trade links re flax in Ireland? Maybe this was the connection re Cockermouth flax merchants?
Would you be thinking along the same lines?

3. i have no idea re there religion- I am tracing my Dad's ancestors- we, he, and his family seem to have had no religious affiliation. Can I make any assumptions re if they came from Armagh or Down? If so how do I proceed to trace them whilst still in Ireland?

4.There are various census and certificate versions of their name- Row/Roe / Rowe? Can the name help me in any way re Irish ancestry and denomination or area of origin?

5. I had a great time visiting Cockermouth whilst on holiday last year! I had a look at and found out about how horrible the area where they lived was back then, but got nowhere re appropriate records, visiting graveyards etc (twas an all too short visit!). Any advice re specific records I should look for? These could be in Cockermouth,also if I get that far searching in Ireland- I intend to do a holiday later in the year so would really like to know where to proceed next in my search!

6. Finally...! :D Any ideas in light of above re tracing the earliest of the Row / Roe etc gang- Solomon and Mary both born around 1799? (Ireland!) And can I draw any info re religion from their names?

What can I say other than thanks for reading and for any advice! :)

Best wishes

Amanda

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