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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Tuesday 23 September 25 10:19 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 23 September 25 09:27 BST (UK)
Records of the Cumbria Constabulary (formerly the Cumberland and Westmorland Constabulary)

Have you tried contacting Cumbria Archives to see if the incident was recorded and what the Police Log Book or Incident Book or Occurrence Book (or whatever they call these Book/s in their Force), said about the incident and rescuer?

You may need to purchase a page copy or scan of the entries in the various Log/s and Book/s.

Added:
Some Policeman Note Books also survive in some Constabulary Records?

One of the books, may, or may not give you brief summary and include those involved?


https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/1?_aq=Carlisle%20Constabulary&_ep=Carlisle&_dss=range&_sd=1890&_ed=1901&_ro=any&_st=adv

Contact details for Cumbria Archives should be on their website
https://cumbriaarchives.org.uk/search

Added: If you visit, it seems you can photograph Free of Charge
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13529876

Added:
Was An Award Indexed
Some rescuers, receive Awards from Local, Regional or National Bodies.

https://royalhumanesociety.org.uk/about-us/awards-and-certificates/

Mark

Thanks Mark. Great suggestion. I will check that out next time I visit the archives.

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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Tuesday 23 September 25 10:17 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Monday 22 September 25 22:17 BST (UK)
Welcome to the club - guilty of same many times!
I'd imagined Milbourne St much changed but no so. Streetview shows it much as it was. At intervals Milbourne St house numbers are separated by a door/entrance (most unmarked) - see Nos 64 - 66, 68 - 70 and 72 - 74, the original entrances to the Courts? The 1891 Census sequence of addresses would appear to support this - they read:-

64 Milbourne St
1-8 Corries Court
66-68 Milbourne Street
10 Corrie Place
70 -72 Milbourne Street
1-2 Jones Court
74 Milbourne St

Really interesting Thank you. I think the conclusion from this is that the entrance to Corrie's Court was between what is now 64 and 66 Milbourne Street. It appears now as a white wooden un numbered door between the two house doors 64/66. How I would love to go back in time for a wander round even if only for one day.
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I went the whole hog earlier today against each "Courts' entrance" still present on Milbourne and checked them against the '91 Census which produced

Entrance between
80-82 led to Slacks Court
76-78 led to Sanderson's Court, James Place
72-74 led to Jones Court
68-70 Corrie Place
64-66 led to Corrie Court
58-60 led to Lawson Court
52-54 led to Atkinson Court
46-48 led to Jackson Court
40-42 led to Milbourne Court

(Note to self - must get out more)
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Great work! I get more pleasure nowadays from delving into history than I do from getting out and down with the kids  ;D

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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Monday 22 September 25 20:31 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Gan Yam. Appreciated muchly. I did have the first one but not the second and really interesting to see the area where this took place.

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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Monday 22 September 25 20:08 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Monday 22 September 25 11:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: maddys52 on Monday 22 September 25 10:33 BST (UK)
Just realised I put the wrong link in my reply #2. This is the 1865 map showing the courts in more detail with Dixon Court.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/121141043#zoom=6.1&lat=1542&lon=11249&layers=BT

Welcome to the club - guilty of same many times!
I'd imagined Milbourne St much changed but no so. Streetview shows it much as it was. At intervals Milbourne St house numbers are separated by a door/entrance (most unmarked) - see Nos 64 - 66, 68 - 70 and 72 - 74, the original entrances to the Courts? The 1891 Census sequence of addresses would appear to support this - they read:-

64 Milbourne St
1-8 Corries Court
66-68 Milbourne Street
10 Corrie Place
70 -72 Milbourne Street
1-2 Jones Court
74 Milbourne St

Really interesting Thank you. I think the conclusion from this is that the entrance to Corrie's Court was between what is now 64 and 66 Milbourne Street. It appears now as a white wooden un numbered door between the two house doors 64/66. How I would love to go back in time for a wander round even if only for one day.


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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Monday 22 September 25 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Hanes Teulu thank you so much. Also Maddys 52 great stuff. Really helpful. Thank you everyone.

Oh, if anyone has or knows of a photograph of Byron Street from before the houses were knocked down or even of a photo of the area where this accident took place I would be really interested.

Thanks also Gan Yam. You help me with every query I put up and it is mutely appreciated. I had to research what a Mill Race was. Every day is a school day.

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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 19:50 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: ShaunJ on Sunday 21 September 25 11:52 BST (UK)
Another newspaper report: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/7d0a8184-0217-47a2-aea4-594f28f1870b

Great find ShaunJ.

Many thanks.

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Cumberland / Re: 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 19:48 BST (UK)  »
@Maddys52 Thank you so much.

These side by side maps are so helpful.

From them I have worked out that Henry's address and the location where the boy was rescued are only about 300 meters apart. It is great to see the locations of this incident on a contemporary map of the time and see it also on today's arial photograph.

I guess that Corrie's Court was pretty much adjacent to the New Brewery from an assessment of the map and the census enumerator's route.

Would you be inclined to agree with my assessment?

I will try to see which other Carlisle Henry Skinners could fall into the 'young man' category in 1897.

Your help is VERY much appreciated.

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Cumberland / 1897 Rescue from Drowning in Carlisle.
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 10:11 BST (UK)  »
On Friday 11th June 1897 the Carlisle Patriot published the following article:

Narrow Escape from Drowning.
The three-year-old son of Mr. T. Mingings, Corrie’s Court, Milbourne Street, Carlisle, narrowly escaped drowning on Friday in the mill dam at the back of that street. The child had fallen in while playing and was carried under the New Brewery archway before being rescued by a young man named Henry Skinner. The child was unconscious, but Dr. Fairlie succeeded in reviving him.

My Great Uncle was called Henry Skinner. He was born on 6th December 1879 in Carlisle. In the 1891 census he is living with his family at 11 Byron Street, Carlisle and was still resident there in the 1901 census.

I am trying to understand if my Henry is the person mentioned in the article. He would have been 17 years of age at the time so fits the description of 'young man' in the article. It seems from modern maps that Byron Street and Milbourne Street are reasonably close to each other so I am growing increasingly confident. However, I cannot place the specific locations of number 11 Byron Street and of Corrie's Court in relation to Milbourne street to be exact about the proximity to each other.

I wonder if any local historians can comment on the precise location of Corrie's Court, The Mill Dam and The New Brewery from that period. Reference to a map showing them would be superb.

If anyone has any other ideas about how I can possibly determine, with the highest degree of confidence, if it was indeed my Henry who is the subject of this article I would be interested.

Grateful for any help, advice, suggestions or theories as always.

oh, and Henry is shown on my profile photograph of a 1912 wedding. He is the Charlie Chaplin lookalike who is directly behind the grooms mother.

ThisBoy.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Struggling to understand this Will. Any suggestions appreciated
« on: Wednesday 25 June 25 06:29 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for this explanation. Much appreciated.

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