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Messages - Ernie Savage

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: margaret tattersall
« on: Wednesday 08 April 15 07:03 BST (UK)  »
Dear Wally,
As you will see from the posting above yours, I am your third cousin, once removed, still in England, though on the Lancashire side of the Pennines. On my mother's side I have found relatives in Australia and Canada, so it is nice to know that there are also some in New Zealand. I am not sure how to e-mail `privately` without telling all and sundry what one's address is, but I would be happy to do so.
Ernie

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: margaret tattersall
« on: Saturday 10 July 10 09:31 BST (UK)  »
Gobbolino
I must be related to your husband somehow - see my earlier posts. (Margaret) Patience Smith was my great grandmother and her parents - see below, 1861 census) were Francis and Ann (nee Tattersall)
SMITH, Francis Head Married M 38 1813 Farmer Of 60 Acres Of Land
 Norton Yorkshire 
SMITH, Ann Wife Married F 36 1815 Farmer Wife  Coniston Yorkshire
SMITH, Robert Son  M 12 1839 Errand Boy  Elslack Yorkshire   
SMITH, David Son  M 10 1841 Scholar Elslack Yorkshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter  F 6 1845 Scholar  Elslack Yorkshire
SMITH, Patience Daughter  F 4 1847 Scholar  Elslack Yorkshire
SMITH, Mary Daughter  F 2 1849 At Home  Elslack Yorkshire
SMITH, Thomas Son  M 0 (2 MOS) 1851 At Home  Elslack Yorkshire

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 census Wigan
« on: Monday 15 December 08 10:22 GMT (UK)  »
The mysterious absences could be explained in part by the family's having two residences (Brunswick Villa, Southport and Fairhurst Hall, Wrightington) Ellen tombstone states that she was of... (both addresses) the name of the villa is clear on the tombstone.
As they were wealthy, they could afford to go abroad, for their health and might just miss the census. An alternative explanation may be a mistranscription of name(s)

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: 1901 census Lambeth
« on: Monday 15 December 08 10:08 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Lyn,
Thanks for getting back.
On her tombstone in Parbold parish church she is described as `of Fairhurst Hall and Brunswick Villa in Southport`; you will know that having found her or her family, in the various censuses, but it would appear that in 1915 (She died, the inscription reads in January of that year, the 24th I think and so must have been in the locality in that year. It also states that she `suffered greatly in this life, but her end was peace`I wonder if she was what we now describe as bipolar? But perhaps you know? The tombstone is pictured on the `history` section of the parish church website.
One mystery - in 1871 she is described as `brewer`, but her father is `retired solicitor`I had always understood that her money, the money used to build the church, came from a brewing family in Wigan of that name, yet her father would not appear to be in that trade, and it seems curious that a rather eccentric spinster should be.
Ernie

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: 1901 census Lambeth
« on: Monday 15 December 08 09:21 GMT (UK)  »
Ellen Ann Robinson Morris lived in this part of South Lancashire and built our local church. perhaps this is your interest in her? The website of the parish, with some information on Ellen  is
http://www.christchurchparbold.co.uk/
We may of course know each other - you can see my name!

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Roscommon / Re: Woods, Carney possibly of Loughglynne
« on: Friday 29 February 08 06:51 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Christopher. They were Catholics. The information I about the Irish part outlined above, came from church records held in Co. Roscommon archives; they worked on the basis of information on the English part given to them by me and gleaned from records held in England. I know that other Irish sources are not available for that period.

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Lancashire / Re: Stead Family in North Lancashire
« on: Friday 07 December 07 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much - as you say it doesn't seem to have to much to do with with `our` Steads. I'll try the one name site.
I see we live quite close - I'm in Parbold
Ernie

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Lancashire / Stead Family in North Lancashire
« on: Friday 07 December 07 13:27 GMT (UK)  »
Our main interest is in  the ancestry of Thomas, born, we assume in 1827 certainly baptised on Christmas Day that year in Tunstal Parish Church. He was the son of John Stead, the village shoemaker in Tunstal. We are not sure about his mother's name We transcribed it from the original record in Lancs RO as Margaret We assumed that there must have been a second marriage; censuses show John's wife as Betty. However the Lancashire Parish Clerks' Project
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/index.html
has the name of Thomas' mother as Elizabeth, which could be the `niceness` of the Curate in charge. He was the notorious Carus Wilson. If Charlotte Bronte's description is at all like the real life parson, it would be consistent with his character to insist on "Elizabeth" even were she always known as "Betty"
There appears to be an elder daughter whose earlier life we have not been able to trace. Her name was Nancy, and it appears that she was born at Wrayton about 1822, who has returned to look after her widowed father by 1861. By 1871 and after his death, Nancy, still unmarried is living in the household of a (retired?) draper, John Mansergh in Slyne-with-Hest for whom she is cook.
Thomas married Agnes Parker and her daughter, described her own son, Fred, born in 1901, as being A typical Stead, a dour lowland Scot Stead appear to be rooted in North Lancashire, Betty was born in Arkhole, in the same area and we always believed Margaret must have been Scottish
Anyone with any information? We would be most grateful

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Lancashire / Horn(e) and Moor(e) families in Higham
« on: Saturday 20 October 07 15:12 BST (UK)  »
I am descended from these - John Horn and Joseph Moor, both born about 1800 in this village on the edge of Pendle Forest. The former was ahandloom weaver, the latter a shoemaker. Any cousinf out there? Any further knowledge?

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