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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Latin Cartulary of Godstow Abbey
« on: Sunday 06 July 25 14:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Sunday 06 July 25 12:05 BST (UK)
I couldn't find a searchable version of the Cartulary but there's a searchable "English Register of Godstow Nunnery, near Oxford written about 1450". I read somewhere it lacked some of the Latin detail eg "... lists of witnesses were not transferred"

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cme/AHA2738.0001.001
https://archive.org/details/englishregist12900godsuoft/page/n11/mode/2up

 

Thank you very much for the link, much appreciated 😊

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Latin Cartulary of Godstow Abbey
« on: Sunday 06 July 25 11:13 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Saturday 05 July 25 07:30 BST (UK)
As I understand it, Andrew Clark's English translation (1905-1911) omitted some of the detail that is in the original. Hence the searchable English edition on line might not deliver where the original might.
Can you confirm?

Hi,
Thank you for getting back to me, I am not sure about Andrew Clark's translation as I have not been able to look at a copy. I haven't been able to find an online version of either version covering the years of interest or the place of interest (c. 1400 onwards re Great Tew). Given that the stone effergy in the church is supposed to be of an Abess of Godstow and that Godstow owned property there I was hoping to see a bit more mention of it.

William Busby/Bosby was buried there in 1513 and has a brass but no will that I can find. A probable descendant, Richard Busbye does leave a will in 1539 leaving considerable property, presumably some was inherited. It is possible that William may have inherited from an ancestry and I was hoping to find traces of them in Godstow's accounts.

I have looked every where for a will for William but there appears to be nothing at the PCC (although I have found others in the past that had been miss translated or catalogued) and the Consistory Court of Oxford doesn't start until 1516 on FindMyPast. I am not sure where wills were proved for the area prior to 1516 so the Cartulary of Godstow was my next hope!!

Best wishes,
Emma

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Latin Cartulary of Godstow Abbey
« on: Friday 04 July 25 22:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I just wondered if anyone might have a copy of The Latin Cartulary of Godstow Abbey by Emilie Smt please?

If so would you mind checking the index for Busby please? Could also be spelt Busbye, Bussbee, Bosby, Busseby, Bisby.

Best wishes, Emma

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Busby of ????
« on: Monday 03 March 25 21:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Vance,

This is fantastic, thank you so much, I hadn't found them in the Common Pleas before, it is interesting that Wyatt is also mentioned as the Wyatts are mentioned in the wills of the Deddington Busby's suggesting a possible common link.

Thanks also for the link to the muster rolls, that is so interesting as it gives you a bit of an insight into their daily lives, I like that William and Edmund were an archers!

Edmond wrote his will c.1558 in Hagbourne, it looks like perhaps before he married Eleanor Angers, widow of William Keate and moved there that he might have lived in Chipping Norton. I presume Robert Busby of Over Norton who left a will in 1542 was Edmund's uncle, he had 5 sons, 3 were under 21 in 1542. Richard son of Robert (Edmund's possible cousin) was over 21 so is probably the bilman.

Thanks so much again for your help.

Best wishes,
Emma

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Busby of ????
« on: Saturday 01 March 25 21:15 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Vance Mead on Saturday 01 March 25 06:27 GMT (UK)
It looks to me like Clifeley, i.e. Cleveley near Enstone, Oxon. In the Common Pleas records f and v are often interchangeable, for exampe Clyff/Clyve. There are several people named Busby recorded in Cleveley, for example William Busby of Clyveley, husbandman, in 1531:

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H8/CP40no1068/aCP40no1068fronts/IMG_1021.htm

In this record, in 1530, it looks like and is indexed as Clesley (William Busby of Clesley, husbandman), but must be Clefley/Cleveley:

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H8/CP40no1064/aCP40no1064fronts/IMG_6881.htm

Hi Vance,

Thanks very much for clearing this up and for providing the links showing the various spellings of Cleveley, I appreciate your help as this now solves a big brick wall I have had for ~2 years!

In Richard Busby's 1539 will (Great Tew) he mentioned his son William and William's sons John and Richard who had substantial inheritances from Richard.

Unlike the other people in Richard's will, I couldn't find William and his family but wondered if William Busby of Cleveley Enstone could be a contender, in his 1549 will he mentioned only 2 son's, John and Richard.

The snip I posted was regarding a court case involving one of William's proposed brothers Edmund who, in his will, referred to his 'cousin' John Busby.

I now know that this John was likely Edmund's nephew and was of Cleveley making it highly likely that he was the son of William both mentioned by Richard Busby 1539 and therfore William Busby 1549 was Richard Busby's son!

Sadly John didn't leave a will that I can find so I can't prove where he ended up (I think he might have had a son called Thomas who had a son called John who brought Addington manor Bucks).

My next mission is to prove the relationship between John Busby d. 1530 Burford and Robert Busby d1541/2 Chipping Norton and Richard Busby d. 1539. I suspect they were brothers. Ultimately I am trying to find if they are all sons of William Busby who's brass is in Great Tew church, he died 1513, I also want to find out what the maiden name of wife Agnes was.

Unfortunately the Oxfordshire Wills Index doesn't start till 1516. Apart from his brass it is like he never existed! I am hoping for some clues in the Bodleian next week, it is like a treasure hunt!

Thanks again and best wishes,
Emma


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Busby of ????
« on: Saturday 01 March 25 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: horselydown86 on Saturday 01 March 25 01:55 GMT (UK)
Some thoughts:

1.  I'm not at all convinced that it begins with C.  Can you please find and clip one or two examples each of both C and O for comparison.

2.  No modern forms of h are visible in the posted clips.  Unless you can see an example elsewhere, the second letter is likely to be l.

3.  There's an apparent top of a long-s near the middle of the word.  However, other examples of long-s in his writing - Busby, last, Aston, Ansley and Ensham - don't have this type of tall and curvaceous top.  Can you find another example with this top?

Hi,
Thanks very much for taking a look and for going to ask of the trouble of looking into the various letters to work out what the word says.

Thanks also for the link and advice regarding the file size too.

I think Vance in the message below might have worked it out from similar words on the aalt law site, it looks like f was used rather than v.

I was expecting John to be of Cleveley as he inherited the mill from his father William there but just want sure because of the way it had been written.

I appreciate all that you have done.

Best wishes,
Emma

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Busby of ????
« on: Friday 28 February 25 23:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
Thanks so much for taking a look. Much appreciated. I can't work out the letter between the h/l at the start and the o.
It is such a shame, it is a 4 page document and this isn't repeated or if it is, it is in the text that is damaged or torn off!!!
Best wishes :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Busby of ????
« on: Friday 28 February 25 21:59 GMT (UK)  »
Last sample James Annsley/Ausley Eynsham

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John Busby of ????
« on: Friday 28 February 25 21:56 GMT (UK)  »
North Aston and Walton

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