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Benjamin William Bates, who was known as Ben Bates, was born on 29th January 1868 in Gorey, Wexford, Ireland to John Bates (a farmer) and Jane Barbara Webster. At some point he immigrated to South Africa and was first a public servant detective and later a private detective in Johannesburg. He had married Cornelia van Os (widow of van Os, born Rensen) in about 1902 and had a son, Cecil Charles Webster Bates. The marriage must have broken down by about 1907. No divorce record in South Africa. Benjamin Bates had immigrated to Ireland and had married Josephine Bates on 6 May 1907 in St Peters Church, Dublin, Ireland. Josephine Bates was born on 7 April 1864 in Gorey, Wexford, Ireland and was the daughter of William Bates (a coachbuilder) and Anna Stedman. Josephine was of fair complexion, with fair hair and grey eyes. Benjamin and Josephine Bates visited 3613 Fisk Avenue, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, in June 1907. Apparently Benjamin had previously been in the USA from 1897, for about 3yrs. They were back in Birmingham, Warwickshire, England for the birth of their daughter, Irma Josephine Bates in the last quarter of 1908 and she was baptised on 9 March 1909 at St Thomas, Church of England, in Birmingham and subsequently died soon after in 1909. They were still in Birmingham in 1911. Benjamin appears to have died at 46yrs of age in December 1914 in Pancras, England.
I am interested in tracing back John Bates. There was a Bates family of coach builders in Gorey, but John does not seem to be connected. Josephine' father, William seems to have been. Cornelia Bates moved to then Rhodesia and died in Bulawayo.

   Hi Gary...it is a change for me to find something that I may have an input in on Rootschat that is current and not ten years old. I realise you're interested in chasing John Bates, but there might be a bit of interest for you here....Amazingly I've been doing some work on Benjamin William Bates over a few days now ( I'm not related btw).
   Forgive me if I'm telling you what you already know... B W Bates seems to have been a very clever man, around 1910 he perfects a system for moving target shooting using a method of projecting the target onto a multiple thickness paper screen, it could be anything from birds and wild animals to enemy soldiers, the clever part is that on the crack of the shot a telephone earpiece picks it up and a relay stops the film in motion for three seconds..a bright light behind the sceen illuminates the hole to allow for scoring, the film then starts again and one of the rolls of paper moves up to obscure the hole made by the previous shot.
   He, along with Henry Weldon Kelly and Douglas Haynes Corbin apply for patents at home and the USA. The equipment is trialled by the British Army School of Musketry at Hythe, plus various Barracks. This device is originally called Kinema Moving Targets, but around 1913/14 becomes Life Targets Ltd.
    Head Office is in Wardour Street, London with £50,000 of share capital...no small venture. It appears franchises are offered and I've found them in most major cities in the UK. The Sheffield one alone started with £1,500 of capital. Selfridge's had one on their rooftop in London.
   This goes global very quickly after 1912/13, it appeared in the Australian newspapers, and I have found it went to Germany, where an American Impresario saw it and took it back to he USA...Coney Island definitely had one, but I think there may have been many others as the 1915 Remington Arms ammunition catalogue is offering special ammo for the Life Target system.
   I have found the UK Life Targets Ltd, ceases to trade in 1916..more to do on this, but my first guess is that the demands of war meant that no ammunition in .22 calibre, and even more so the special flat ended round that was needed for cutting a neat hole in the paper would be available.
   At this stage I do not know if it carried on in the US (sadly I do not have a subscription to US newspaper or other archives) or how widely it spread, I would like to know though!!...one article I read suggested the Germans were still using the system for training troops in the 1930's
   I am in agreement that Ben died in 1914, as did his wife Josephine...were the deaths connected?
   Your info about a son in South Africa is very interesting, I wonder what happened to him?
   At the moment it looks as though Ben was on the verge of real fortune at the time of his death, although perhaps WW1 would have denied it?...I hope this is interesting.
     Andy
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    Turning back to Bates himself, the newspaper articles of the time describe him as South African, but having had a quick look at the genealogy he is very much a man of the world
   I have a few pics and a lot of other info not collated, you are more than welcome to anything I've found...if you have a photo of him that would be most appreciated.

I received a similar notification for their St. Patrick's day sale a few months back.
   I tried to buy but it just wouldn't let me...I contacted their UK helpline but was told it was US subscribers only and I shouldn't have been sent the offer, which quite annoyed me, they did though tbf give me a discount by knocking off the UK delivery price...but it was still substantially more than the US offer.