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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Monday 09 October 06 18:27 BST (UK)  »
Jennie
I'm sorry. I should have mailed you earlier. I visited my parents for my dad's 95th birthday on Sept 30th. I showed him the photos that you sent me but there wasn't any instant recognition which was disappointing. I think that you may be right about the chap on the left being my great grandfather. How do you know where the photos were taken?
Do you know what happened to the Fildes family by any chance. They had disappeared off the map in 1891!
You dont happen to have any other records re Fairlawn from those times by any chance?
Best Regards
Tony Lloyd

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Sunday 24 September 06 20:03 BST (UK)  »
Jennie
Brilliant !
I'll show the picture to my dad ASAP and see if it rings any bells. Curiously his memory for events in his youth seems far better than his memory for recent events!
Regards
Tony

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Sunday 24 September 06 13:50 BST (UK)  »
Jennie
Many thanks. I presume that you mean that the chap on the left in your photo is Thomas Henry. Regarding the couple at the back, my best guess is that the man at the back is the same as the man who is second left on your photo but is is just a guess. I could send you a higher resolution copy if I could e mail you directly.
You raise an interesting point about the identification of the characters in my photo. As it was my father that had identified his grandfather and grandmother, I must assume that he was probably right but when I visit him next I will try to double check this with him. He will be 95 in 6 days time! Kate by the way was a nurse not a governess
I doubt if he will be able to remember Francis but I will check that out as well.
I know little else about the photo and I date it by reference to the age of my grandfather Thomas Sydney b 18 Feb 1883. The photographer was T Bowen of 64 Clifton Street Lytham.
Kate was working elsewhere in 1881 at Westwood, the home of Thomas Fair, the agent for the Lytham Hall Estate.
Thomas and Kate had married on 24 April 1882 at St Cuthberts with the witnesses being Thomas and Elizabeth Bennett.
If you have a photo of Francis and Jane fom the 1920's / 30s it might jog my dad's memory.
I tried looking up Francis and George in the 1924 Lytham Directory but to no avail http://www.lytham-online.co.uk/Local%20History/Directories/1924%20Directory/Lytham_St.Annes_Directory_1924_W.htm
Best Regards

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Thursday 21 September 06 15:39 BST (UK)  »
Jennie
Thank you so much for replying. Yes, Francis Wright was indeed a groom at Thomas Fildes house "Fairlawn" at the same time as my great grand father Thomas Henry Lloyd. I also append a photograph withan image of Thomas Henry, Kate Edna and the infant Thomas Sydney taken at Fairlawn House. Perhaps Francis is also on the photo?
If you should wish to communicate off line, my e mail address is tony.lloyd@dsl.pipex.com
Thomas Henry is a great mystery to me. He is supposed to have been born in Worcester but all of my searches have failed to find any convincing evidence of his birth in those parts.
Hoping to hear from you.
Tony Lloyd

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Thursday 27 April 06 10:44 BST (UK)  »
Dave
If you Look up Thomas Loyd in the 1881 census he is shown as a 29 yr old agricultural labourer living n Severn Stoke with his wife Caroline and 4 children. I strongly suspect that this is the same Thomas Lloyd that you identified in the 1851,61 and 71 censuses and not my man who is shown as living in Lytham also as Thomas Loyd.
Tony

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Tuesday 25 April 06 23:37 BST (UK)  »
Dave
There is a significant possiblility that he may have been illegitimate. I will look at your suggestions in as much depth as I can. Significantly I can't readily find these Thomas Lloyds in the 1881 census in Worcestershire so I can't prove they are not my Thomas Henry.
Thankyou. I'm impressed by your ability to find an illegitimate Thomas Henry. Do you have a technique for searching or did you just look at a lot of records till you came across an uimarried mother?
I'll get back to you in a day or two.
Tony

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Tuesday 25 April 06 09:11 BST (UK)  »
Dave
Absolutely right. Question is where was Thomas Henry m 1882 actually born and who were his parents?
Regards
Tony

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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Sydney Lloyd b Lytham 1883
« on: Monday 24 April 06 22:27 BST (UK)  »
Dave
Thanks but I'd done that some time ago. He was in Lytham in 1882 (remember I have him on the 1881 census and you have already noted that the 1901 census shows the first three children as born in Lytham between 1883 and 1885). The marriage certificate shows his fathers name as Thomas Henry Lloyd and his occupation as Coachman. Needless to say his father is not a witness to the marriage.
I strongly suspect that he may have fabricated his background but I can't prove it.
Perhaps if I could selectively interrogate orphanages in the Worcester area it might throw up some possible leads. Who knows?

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Worcestershire / Re: Thomas Lloyd b 1852 / 1855 Worcester
« on: Monday 24 April 06 22:17 BST (UK)  »
No I haven't I'm afraid. There is one relatively close match with an 1851 dob but on closer inspection the father turns out to be a tinman or brazier rather than a coachman and subsequent censuses are incompatible as well.
1871 also draws a blank and 1881 shows him in Lytham as a coachman with his name incorrectly shown as Loyd.

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