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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Butterfields of Haworth, Stanbury, Keighley and Bingley
« on: Sunday 26 November 17 09:39 GMT (UK)  »
Could be. Fingers crossed! There is some useful info about using DNA to knock down brick walls on Peter Calver’s (free) lost cousin website:
https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latenov17news.htm

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Butterfields of Haworth, Stanbury, Keighley and Bingley
« on: Saturday 25 November 17 11:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sally, sorry I’ve  been so long getting back to you. I’ve heard from the lady who ran the study but the DNA didn’t match any tested. I’ve now ordered a test from Ancestry for my brother and myself so let’s see if we can get any further,

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Found a more updated email address so have got a message through. Will update you on any developments.

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Thank you Sally for pointing this out - it looks such an interesting study. I wrote to them to ask for more details, as I have the DNA results from my Butterfield line, and permission to use them, but the mail bounced back - 'Email address not recognised.' Pity.

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Hi Sherry,

Really interesting info about the turnpikes - I have learned something this afternoon!

Also, apologies for not replying to your earlier post with the details about Norland Field Farm, somehow I missed that.

I agree with you that this may not be connected to "our" Butterfields...and yet I suppose that "in the mists of time" it might well be. However, it has prompted me to realise that I haven't spent a lot of time with any links to the Halifax area, so that's going on the "to do" list.

However, indirectly, this has lead me to a problem I have with some other Butterfield information in the 1841 census, and I wonder if you, or anyone seeing this, could help.

The census shows 3 Butterfield families living in Hope St (3), and another one in Back Hope Street.

I have traced 3 of these, but one of the Hope St families eludes me. This is Samuel Butterfield, 45 b 1796, married to "Elenor" Lambert, also shown as 45, with children Mary, Luke, Sarah, Elizabeth Susanna, Mark and Lambert.

I can trace this family forwards, but Samuel's parentage is missing in my records. I found a Samuel today born in Ovenden in 1799 (hence thinking about Halifax...) but he isn't the right one - wrong wife, wrong children etc, so I am stumped.

The odd thing is that the other three families here are traceable and broadly linked. It just seems strange that there were 4 families close by in that area....

Any thoughts, anyone?

Cliffelinks65

I agree with you Cliffelinks - Samuel  is hard to find. I've tried.
He seems to have been buried in Keighley 1 Mar 1843 aged 47, and was then living at New Road.


We can rule out the Ovenden one as you say as he emigrated to the USA and there is a lot on line about him.

Another missing baptism?

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Hi 

Oops - seems I've made an error in typing things up. Several in fact. I'm honestly not sure about li, so am happy to go with pounds.  It does make more sense. The trouble with the rest is that I'm working away and using photos of handwritten notes to piece things together, plus a partly done Ancestry tree. Looking again at my notes I can see  at some point I crossed out Betty Tindell, and substituted Elizabeth Sunderland, so my error, it should be Sunderland.

And the Henry , Jane and John were the children of a John and Martha, but the John and Martha living in Keighley, so you can ignore them too.

I have that Betty married John Binns of Laverack Hall
Mary Ann married Samuel Wallbank
Priscilla married Ellison Lund

Hope these are right.

Also that Isaac married Sarah (Sally) Sunderland and they moved into Haworth parish and had 5 children. His gravestone is listed in the Haworth churchyard lists, along with that of Sally and their son Frank.

Phyllis is down as a granddaughter of John and Martha in the 1851 census, but I've no idea who her parents are - or indeed if she is another illegitimate child. Any ideas?

Hope this clarifies a few bits.


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This is what I have for the Two Laws lot, which might be of interest :-
Thomas BUTTERFIELD (I believe he was baptised Keighley 1 Feb 1769, son of John BUTTERFIELD and Mary SHARP, but this is a guess. If right then at his baptism the family were described as being of 'Cowling Head' - which appears to be just behind Two Laws though I'm prepared to be corrected ). He married Elizabeth (either Tindell m Keighley 8 Nov 1791, or Sunderland, m Haworth 11 Jan 1787, either marriage would fit, though the Tindell one is most likely)
They had Sarah (b 30 Apr 1792, bap 4 Jun 1792), John (bap 4 Feb 1793 Haworth), Ann (b 25 Feb 1794, bap 13 Apr 1774), William (b 26 Jan 1796, bap 30 May 1796 ) Polly (b 18 Aug 1797 bap 8 Oct 1797). My only question over this is that only John was baptised at Haworth, the rest at Keighley, but otherwise it all fits.

NB There is also a William, baptised 31 Mar 1812 at Haworth, of 'Two Laws' , son of  Joseph and Sarah, aged 19 weeks, who I cannot place)

Of these above, John (1793) married Martha SHARP 30 Jul 1816 at Keighley. They lived at Two Laws. John was living with his daughter Betty at Laverack Hall in Oakworth when he was buried at Oakworth, 12 Jun 1872, aged 79. Ditto for Martha , 3 Aug 1878 aged 83.
They had the following children:
Joseph, bap 9 Nov 1817, Keighley. (He married Sarah Bancroft (bap 29 Apr 1827 at Haworth), and became landlord of the Grouse Inn. After his death Sarah moved in with her brother Stephen at Lobmill, Todmorden ( 1891 census). She died in Todmorden but was buried back in Oakworth 27 Mar 1896. Joseph and Sarah had Thomas, 1855, who was buried aged 4 on 13 Aug 1859 at Oakworth , and Sarah Ann, who married Joseph Briggs 1 May 1882.)
Isaac, bap 8 Nov 1818, Keighley
Betty, bap 11 Jan 1821 Keighley( married someone called Binns and they went to live at Laverack Hall with their children Martha,1854, Thomas, 1856, Mary Jane, 1858, Elizabeth, 1860, Rebecca, 1862 and William, 1864. Her parents moved in with her later)
Susanna, bap 28 Aug 1823, Keighley
Mary Ann, bap 9 May 1825, Keighley
Thomas, bap 8 May 1827, Keighley.( He became a farmer at Hilltop. He married Ann and they had 3 children, Sarah Ann, 1861, who was born at Ponden Mill, she later married James Heaton and she died in 1885; John in 1865,d 1928; and Joseph 1869.)
Sarah bap 10 Dec 1830, Keighley
Henry bap 29 Jul 1832, Keighley
Priscilla 1832 (Zillah on some census entries). (She was aged 20 when baptised at Oakworth Sept 8 1852, when her date of birth was given as 14 Dec 1832)
Ann 1837 ( had John Ellis Butterfield , baptised Oakworth, aged  2,May 1863 . He later married Elizabeth Ann Taylor DRIVER, May 19 1888 Oakworth, and was still of Two Laws then.
Jane bap 25 Jun 1837 Keighley
John bap 25 Jun 1837 Keighley. Possibly the one buried 29 March 1890, aged 50, at Oakworth.

As many of the dates are baptismal dates they may well have been older at the time of baptism, as you know, and as indeed Priscilla was.

Hope this helps. I've written it all out because there are a pile of public tree on Ancestry, where absolutely everyone gives that John (1793) is 'of Thwaites' and his father is Peter, but I've spent years on this, done all the legwork and research, and am pretty sure that is wrong. I believe the entries entries support this as being correct. What do you think?

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Sally also mentioned the workhouse up there. Where was it Sally? The only mention I can find on line is here
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Keighley/

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Hi Cliffelinks,
Sorry for not replying sooner. I am working on your queries but it's taking longer than expected. I'll answer them soon.

Here are a few pieces of information from my notes from 2005

At that time I was sent the following by the lovely guy who runs the Cliffe Castle / Butterfield website:

From an article on the Blue Bell Turnpike, that ran between Haworth and Toller Lane, Bradford:-
Tolls collected:
1776 150li to John Butterfield of Haworth, yeoman
1778 153li to John Butterfield and Jeremiah Smith of Two Laws
1780 140 li to John Butterfield of Haworth, whom it was directed that steps should be taken, and against Jeremiah Smith, for their arrears of tolls.
In 1782 the clerk was instructed to stop all proceedings against John Butterfield, then in gaol for non payment of rent.

I seem to recall that li means shillings - using those turnpikes wasn't cheap!

Makes you wonder doesn't it? Perhaps we should be looking at court cases!
It's a pity it's not clear who lives at Two Laws ( is that how it got its name? One law for them, one for the rest? Or because - as Sally pointed out - it's on the border between two parishes?(Keighley and Colne). Interesting either way)

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