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« on: Sunday 12 January 25 05:29 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year to all you wonderful posters. I am able to type very slowly but have gone over all your posts and hopefully answered to best of my ability:
Jorose
On the 1898 marriage certificate, how is Alfred's marital status listed and what is his occupation? (Batchelor)
On the 1890 birth certificate, who is the informant (Annie Agnes Maria Esse) formerly Gough) and what is Alfred's occupation? (Publican)
On the 1900 birth certificate, who is the informant (E.A. Esse)and what is Alfred's occupation? (Commercial Traveller).
On both birth certificates, What was the address of birth (on Dorothy’s certificate, address reads (Great Totham, R.S.D.) and on Christina’s certificate address reads (1440 Gordon Road, Ealing, R.S.D).and address of informant? (Both mothers were the informants).
Tonepad
I see that his mother, Emma, died in 1912 and left probate in 1913 Alfred's older brother Walter was the executor. A copy of her will might offer useful info. (Will see if I have it, if not, will try and get it.)
The second child Christine Margaret Hathaway Esse was born in Ealing on 27 June 1900 - I have birth certificate.' (Typo should have been 17th June)
The birth was announced on the 23 June to have occurred on the 17 June:
The Mart, the 17th of June, at Gordon Road, Ealing, the wife of Alfred Esse, of a daughter.
Published: Saturday 23 June 1900
Newspaper: Middlesex County Times
Roseie99
Where are Dorothy and Annie after 1890? (I haven’t found where they are but I found Alfred in the (London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 for Alfred Esse - Westminster > St George, Hanover Square > 1891 with (4016 Esse, Alfred 1 room,2nd floor, furnished,joint 6 Stafford street 12/- a week E.E. Esse)
CaroleW
The 1890 birth for Dorothy was registered as Esse - mmn Gough
Does her birth cert show Annie as Annie Gough or as Annie Esse nee Gough? (Annie Agnes Maria Esse mother Great Totham)
Tonepad
Annie Agnes Gough spinster married Charles Pilgrim in Southwark, 1893
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
Pilgrim Charles St. Saviour 1d 75
Annie A Pilgrim and her 10 year old daughter Dorothy are living without Charles in Southwark, 1901.
(I haven’t followed this through – I’m not interested in Annie, just Dorothy, thanks)
JoRose
On the 1898 marriage certificate, how is Alfred's marital status listed and what is his occupation?
He is a bachelor and a representative of a brewery
On the 1890 birth certificate, who is the informant and what is Alfred's occupation?
Annie Agnes Maria Esse (formerly Gough) – Mother Alfred is a Publican
On the 1900 birth certificate, who is the informant and what is Alfred's occupation?
Ethel A Esse – Mother – Commercial Traveller - Father
On both birth certificates, What was the address of birth and address of informant?
On Christine’s certificate the mother’s address is 144 Gordon Rd, Ealing.
On Dorothy’s certificate the address is Great Totham
I see that his mother, Emma, died in 1912 and left probate in 1913 Alfred's older brother Walter was the executor. A copy of her will might offer useful info.
Will have to look into this. Thanks.
TonPad
The second child Christine Margaret Hathaway Esse was born in Ealing on 27 June 1900 - I have birth certificate.'
This was a typing error – should have been 17th
The birth was announced on the 23 June to have occurred on the 17 June:
The Mart, the 17th of June, at Gordon Road, Ealing, the wife of Alfred Esse, of a daughter.
Published: Saturday 23 June 1900
Newspaper: Middlesex County Times
Thanks for the paper’s information.
Annie Agnes Gough spinster married Charles Pilgrim in Southwark, 1893
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
Pilgrim Charles St. Saviour 1d 75
Thanks for this – I did see it but wasn’t sure it was the same woman.
Annie A Pilgrim and her 10 year old daughter Dorothy are living without Charles in Southwark, 1901.
Rosie99
Where are Dorothy and Annie after 1890
I don’t know where were but note Annie married Charles Pilgrim as shown in another post.
CaroleW
The 1890 birth for Dorothy was registered as Esse - mmn Gough
Does her birth cert show Annie as Annie Gough or as Annie Esse nee Gough?
It is shown as Annie Esse formerly Gough.
sparrett
Annie Agnes GOUGH at the 1893 marriage to Charles PILGRIM stated she was 28, a spinster. She shared his address- 52 Darwin Street and her father was William GOUGH, deceased, a carpenter.
Charles was 25, a bachelor, a coalminer. Son of William PILGRIM, a coalminer .
Witnesses were James THREDGOLD and Mary WRIGHT.
Charles was 25, a bachelor, a coachman. Son of William PILGRIM, a coachman.
Witnesses were William James THREDGOLD and Mary WRIGHT.
It seems they can’t even get the occupations correct back then.
Nanny jan
There is a baptism for Dorothy in a Roman Catholic church in Battersea 1890; naming parents as Alfred and Annie. (Where can I find this please? I can only find a birth).
I have come to the conclusion that Alfred did not want to be found and just fell off the edge of the earth.
There is some unusual information about Alfred and where he lived and who with. one in particular was the 1891 Electoral Register showing him with EE Esse - this maybe his mother Emma Elizabeth Esse - EE Esse - at least I am hoping this is his mother.)