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Scotland / Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« on: Monday 22 January 18 09:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hello. Have any of you come across a Thomas Caird, said to be from Montrose and born about 1756?
Thomas Caird was a surgeon in the Royal Navy and served on board the Temeraire at Trafalgar.
He married Elizabeth in Devon, had some children, then died in 1822.
I can not find his birth anywhere, but there are some Caird's in Montrose, at the right time. Could he be using a second name? He would not be the first to alter his name.

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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Sands Kent
« on: Sunday 24 December 17 21:58 GMT (UK)  »
Just went back to my notes on Robert Sands, when the Temeraire was in 'Ordinary'.
It looks like he was servant of Francis Harris, Gunner. Robert 'Left his master' on the 17 May and was replaced by Francis Wolfe on 23 June.
Francis Harris was at Trafalgar with his son...also called Francis, who was born at Chatham and only 8 at the time. Francis (junior) went on to have a very long and fruitful life, spending many years at Palling in Norfolk before he died in 1883.
Anyway....Merry Christmas everyone. (I had better start wrapping some presents...or have a rum?..)

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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Sands Kent
« on: Friday 22 December 17 16:45 GMT (UK)  »
Robert Sands - The only one I can find is - East Peckham, 1788 son of Robert and Eleanor. There are a few more Sands around, but only one Robert. There is a Richard, born 25 July 1790, St Werburgh, Hoo, but he died in 1791. Then another one in 1793, but I think he died.. Also a marriage at Rochester between Sands and Fleet, March 1812...but this was a Richard.

Usually, when the Navy realise that they have an apprentice, they are quickly discharged.
It looks like Robert was someones servant, as he went with the Temeraire into 'Ordinary'.....then he disappears.

I see that there was two Robert Sands at Trafalgar. The other one is a Private on board the Dreadnought, mother lived at Tunbridge.

Any thoughts on where to turn next? I am off to Kew at the end of January, tracing the Temeraire men...post Trafalgar.

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Lincolnshire / Re: George Chambers about 1796, Wragby
« on: Friday 24 November 17 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Charlotte Chambers - born 11 June 1848, to John and Anne Chambers, baptised at St. Nicholas, Lincoln.  Charlotte had a rocky life, she had two children before meeting he husband, George Andrew Bescoby, who she married on 5 February 1872.
George Bescoby appears in several newspaper articles. One of them is taken from
LINCOLNSHIRE CHRONICLE  25 December 1868
'......George Bescoby, a well known thief....'
They both appear in the following newspaper -
LINCOLNSHIRE CHRONICLE    14 June 1878    page 6   
BRACEBRIDGE  -  Geo. Andrew Bescoby was sent down to prison for one month without the option of a fine, for assaulting his wife, Charlotte Bescoby. Defendant said in Court that when he came out of prison he would kill his wife, if he went to the gallows for it.
George went to prison, then died soon after his release.
The widow Charlotte then appears three more times -
16 January 1880  -  assaulting Emma Foster
24 July 1896  -  assaulting Elizabeth Bellamy  ( a neighbour, over a wash tub )
7 October 1904  -  hit a hawker on the head with a bottle of stout. The argument was about a rabbit the hawker had sold to Charlotte.

Charlotte died in 1923, at the age of 73.

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Armed Forces / Re: Royal Navy: Lieutenant after 1809 desertion?
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
It seems that it all depends on your background. On the Temeraire I have found two midshipmen who deserted. Both are clearly noted as 'Deserters' and later went on to have long careers in the Royal Navy, with promotion.

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Armed Forces / Re: Battle of Trafalgar 1805 possible ancestor?
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 12:27 GMT (UK)  »
What I forgot to add  -
Do not get put off my the exact ages on the Muster Books. I have seen men get younger during their naval careers.

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Armed Forces / Re: Battle of Trafalgar 1805 possible ancestor?
« on: Sunday 19 November 17 09:04 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, he could be.
There is a Charles Ingram on board the Colosuss

Charles Ingram aged 42 (age given when first onbd Colosuss) born in North Yarmouth [Yarmouth].
Ship: HMS Colossus
Aged 46 (age given in 1805) on joining HMS Canada on 12 December 1805, place of birth Yarmouth. Allotment from wages made by Charles Ingram to Wife (not named) on 12 December1805 to be paid by the Customs Office in Yarmouth.
 
Information taken from the National Archives site 'Nelson, Trafalgar and those who served'.

The Colossus had some of the worst number of casualties after the Battle.
    

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Lincolnshire / Re: George Chambers about 1796, Wragby
« on: Sunday 19 November 17 08:44 GMT (UK)  »
Yes ... that's our lot.

We have been looking at some more of the Chambers....not good news I'm afraid. Another story with violence and prison...!

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Lincolnshire / Re: George Chambers about 1796, Wragby
« on: Thursday 12 October 17 22:21 BST (UK)  »
My Uncle Arthur is this one -
Born 8 December 1892, baptised 12 March 1893 at St Mary Le Wigford, Lincoln.
Son of James Granfield Chambers and Mary Jane Dale.
He married Maria Ann Elwick in 1918
Lived just off Riseholme Road, Lincoln
Died 1987

Have you heard of the half brother to Christopher Robert Arthur Chambers?
Our Uncle Jim, who used to live in Canada? Same Father, different Mother.
James William Chambers was born on 4 April 1923 in Lincoln
Died in Vancouver, 2007

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