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Tipperary / Re: Patrick O'Donnell m Mary Ryan
« on: Thursday 03 December 20 06:34 GMT (UK) »
Bit of a sad story about John Thomas... I bought his death certificate a while back now, when I was still working on identifying our relatives up to Patrick and Mary. I have attached it here.
It appears that John Thomas was homeless when he died.
His death certificate gives place of death as the Exhibition Gardens in Melbourne (the sleeping place of many homeless) and date of death is '3rd or 4th' of June 1933. It seems he often(?) stayed at a homeless shelter in Little Bourke St Melbourne (close to the Gardens) as this was given as his 'residence' and it must have been from them that the information on the death certificate was obtained as the informant was a police constable.
Unless they spoke with his sister Bridget who still lived in Castlemaine with her family (there is a photo of Bridget's Mitchell family with my grandmother Molly Hewitt and John Thomas taken at Bridget's home in Castlemaine during one of Grandma's trips 'east' to visit her Mitchell cousins. This was taken 'pre 1930' - so he was obviously still in contact with Bridget at that point)
Where the Walter Bartlett came from, or why, I have no idea! Neither Dad or Joan knew about John Thomas until I started researching. Dad was only 2yo when John Thomas died.
Our PFT is in ancestry with Dad as the home person: https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/tree/69794572/family/familyview and all the photos, certificates and information I have has been uploaded to the relevant people.
His age was given as 71 (only a year out),
Years in the Colony: 64. ( would have been 7-ish instead of 4-ish when he arrived)
Never married - very comfortable this is correct. Never a wife mentioned or with him in photos.
Occupation: Carpenter - like his father Patrick.
It appears that John Thomas was homeless when he died.
His death certificate gives place of death as the Exhibition Gardens in Melbourne (the sleeping place of many homeless) and date of death is '3rd or 4th' of June 1933. It seems he often(?) stayed at a homeless shelter in Little Bourke St Melbourne (close to the Gardens) as this was given as his 'residence' and it must have been from them that the information on the death certificate was obtained as the informant was a police constable.
Unless they spoke with his sister Bridget who still lived in Castlemaine with her family (there is a photo of Bridget's Mitchell family with my grandmother Molly Hewitt and John Thomas taken at Bridget's home in Castlemaine during one of Grandma's trips 'east' to visit her Mitchell cousins. This was taken 'pre 1930' - so he was obviously still in contact with Bridget at that point)
Where the Walter Bartlett came from, or why, I have no idea! Neither Dad or Joan knew about John Thomas until I started researching. Dad was only 2yo when John Thomas died.
Our PFT is in ancestry with Dad as the home person: https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/tree/69794572/family/familyview and all the photos, certificates and information I have has been uploaded to the relevant people.
His age was given as 71 (only a year out),
Years in the Colony: 64. ( would have been 7-ish instead of 4-ish when he arrived)
Never married - very comfortable this is correct. Never a wife mentioned or with him in photos.
Occupation: Carpenter - like his father Patrick.
and they were married in Ireland before they came to Australia (so no parents on marriage cert), so I don't even have a starting place for his parents other than O'Donnell in Kilfeacle.