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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 22:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - but I think it more likely that since her uncle arranged and paid for their passage to the US, it was done when Grace was still only 4.   It would be useful if I could find where George and Alice Hodgson lived when they were young. The surname seems to be most common around the Yorkshire to Northumberland areas

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 20:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your help. Excellent The man's name is George Hodgson - and now I know that he was Alice's brother.  His wife, Hetty, corresponded with my grandmother and through her, my gran found Grace.  Hetty was indeed George's second wife - and he was her second husband.   

It may be that Grace was remembering her birthday and place of birth correctly in that their passage may well have been arranged before her birthday in 1912.

I can now find more on Alice Hodgson.   Thanks again.   Grace's sons will be pleased too.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 19:50 BST (UK)  »
Yes, tried all that.   

Can someone tell me what it says on the extended passenger list on Ancestry please?  I don't have that. But it's looking lime Rosie is right and David joined the Royal Artillery. 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 18:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rosie,  Thanks for your help.  I have that record too.  It could be him although he would have been 22 in 1891 - and there's no record of him ever having been in the Army. You never know though.

Dawn - the 1911 Scottish census record shows David Philip 41 b Scotland, Alice Philip 40 b England and Grace Philip 4 b England living at an address in Dundee next door to David's brothers and sisters an their families. James Crichton is not at that address but is listed elsewhere. They are listed as having been married for five years and have had two children but only one - Grace- surviving.

Rob

Thanks for later posts. It might be that David did join the army. His father's name IS David

Thank you all for your help.   Still trying to find David's marriage cert and Grace's birth. Portsmouth CC and Hants CC (which covers the area surrounding Portsmouth) say they have no record

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Family History Programs, Tree Organisation, Presentation / Re: drawing up family tree on paper??
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 18:39 BST (UK)  »
Amy or Paul,

If you are still on this chat, the Powerpoint is a great idea, thanks and I'm making one - but how/where do I see the hyperlink it says I have inserted?   Rob

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 17:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dawn (is that right?).   Yes, I have just joined Rootschat and it's proving very good. Thank your all for your help.

No, Grace never returned to the UK.  My grandmother, Grace's aunt, eventually found Grace via the aunt - apparently a relative of Grace's mother, Alice, in Scammon and corresponded with Grace and then so did my mother, her cousin - and I did too - with her youngest son, when I was 11. Unfortunately all but a couple of scraps of that correspondence have been lost - but I have photos. I also found her sons again about six months ago and they gave me more information about her life in the US.  When she was orphaned she was taken around the Midwest on a train with thousands of other orphans and adopted my a family of German immigrants.  She moved to Nevada and died there some years ago.    Rob

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 17:44 BST (UK)  »
Yes, thanks for your help.  That's her.  I have a transcription of the passenger list of SS California on which they travelled rom Glasgow to NY in 1912.  The James Crichton (sometimes Crighton and occasionally Creighton) mentioned earlier is Grace's father David's uncle by marriage who has an often curious relationship with the Philip family (my family). He was married to David's aunt, Helen Philip. David and family are said in that record to have been living with James - but he (David) is in the census as living with his family - virtually next door to his brothers and sisters and their families. One of his sisters was my grandmother, Maggie Philip.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 17:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi and thank you. Grace (this 1911 census is the only instance of her ever being called "Gracie) always said she was born in Portsmouth, Hampshire, but I can (so far) find no documentary corroboration of that.  Thanks for trying to help. Rob

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grace Philip
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 17:19 BST (UK)  »
Yes, thank you. That is them. I have that record from Scotland's People census (am I allowed to say that?) as well as their arrival in Ellis Island NY in 1912.  David and Alice were apparently married in 1906 somewhere in England and had a child before Grace but who didn't survive.  I have not yet found the record of the marriage nor of the first child. They  apparently had a third child - born in the USA around 1914/5 but he (Roy?) died with his parents inn the great 'flu epidemic. Grace went on to marry and had three sons. I am in touch with the surviving family.  Many thanks for your help though

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