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Aberdeenshire / Re: James Gordon
« on: Thursday 24 August 17 08:28 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Flattybasher9 on Thursday 24 August 17 06:34 BST (UK)
Is the reason for this post re "Peter Ward Gordon" to verify the comments made here:-

http://www.antiquegolfscotland.com/antiquegolf/history.php3?itemid=87

and

http://www.antiquegolfscotland.com/antiquegolf/maker.php3?makerid=270

Regards

Malky

Malky, the owner of that website is one of the people who is working on the PGA project. It may be that we find a reference in a newspaper article, but sadly, they're not always reliable! My husband and I also have a golf history website, concentrating on defunct clubs, but we get a lot of enquiries from genealogists too
www.golfsmissinglinks.co.uk

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Aberdeenshire / Re: James Gordon
« on: Wednesday 23 August 17 11:41 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Whizzjoy on Wednesday 23 August 17 11:32 BST (UK)
Hello Bagibird. I agree the 1911 census entry for Peter Ward Gordon will take you no further than what's already been posted. I'm pretty comfortable that Ward Gordon was with Melville Brown probably as a club maker in which case he would under the Bye-Laws and Constitution of the Professional Golfers' Association at that time have been eligible for membership. If his enlistment papers into the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders were available for viewing then they would either way confirm his profession. Whizzjoy

I haven't been able to find his enlistment papers yet, but will keep trying. They would certainly be the "silver bullet"!

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Aberdeenshire / Re: James Gordon
« on: Wednesday 23 August 17 11:20 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Whizzjoy on Wednesday 23 August 17 10:49 BST (UK)
In reply to the post of Bagibird yesterday....... no I do not have any documents to prove Peter Ward Gordon was an assistant golf professional, as yet. I have a colleague in Ireland who is undertaking further research as I write this message.

Most of the evidence gathered so far is circumstantial. I know from the 1911 census as I mentioned that he was living with his sister and brother-in-law in St Andrews. When Melville Brown secured the post of Golf Professional at Malone, Belfast may I suggest it is fair to assume Peter Ward Gordon went with them. Jacksons Register of The British Professional Golfers 1887-1930 has an entry for Melville Brown stating that he was at Malone Golf Club 1911-1922. Should more substantial evidence emerge I'll be sure to post it.

Thank you Whizzjoy. I'll keep watching and hoping! We had seen the entry in Alan Jackson's register for Melville Brown - not sure how much proof the PGA are seeking, but I'll certainly pass on your message. I don't think the 1911 census will take me any further, although I'm more than happy to pay to access Scottish People - (didn't realise it was pay per view; I thought it was subscription).

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Aberdeenshire / Re: James Gordon
« on: Tuesday 22 August 17 21:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Tuesday 22 August 17 21:41 BST (UK)
Quote from: Bagibird on Tuesday 22 August 17 19:24 BST (UK)
I'm afraid I don't have access to the 1911 census.
You have exactly the same access as everyone else. The original 1911 census is available only on the Scotland's People web site.

Thank you Forfarian. I realise that I could take out a a subscription to Scotland's People. I had hoped that that would not be necessary to trace just one person who is not in any way related to me; I was merely trying to help ensure that he wasn't missed on the PGA memorial. That's why I thought maybe others might be prepared to help. However, if needs be, I would rather pay for the subscription myself than allow a soldier to be forgotten. Thank you again.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: James Gordon
« on: Tuesday 22 August 17 19:24 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Whizzjoy. Do you have any documents you could share with me please, so that I can send some evidence to the PGA? Everything you have found tallies with what we thought but we haven't been able to find any proof. I would be very grateful for any details you could share. I'm afraid I don't have access to the 1911 census. Thanks in anticipation.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: James Gordon
« on: Wednesday 05 April 17 18:45 BST (UK)  »
I think I may have been the person who requested the information about Peter Ward Gordon. The Professional Golfers' Association are researching all golf professionals and their assistants who were killed in WW1, with the intention of having a memorial at their Headquarters. They have been sent info which seems to indicate that Peter Ward Gordon may have been a golf pro or, more likely an assistant. I know he served in 2nd Bn., Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (service number S/10217) and died on 18 August 1916; his effects were sent to his sister Mrs Ferguson. So far, I have been unable to find his occupation immediately prior to WW1. I would be really grateful if anyone could give me any help - obviously the PGA are anxious not to omit anyone from the memorial!
Thanks in anticipation.

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