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The Stay Safe Board / Re: Diary summary week ending 28th July
« on: Tuesday 12 November 24 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
@Victoria

Just as a side note:

- Machelen is a municipality near Brussel, in the province of Vlaams-Brabant.
- Mechelen (French name Malines) is a city in the province of Antwerpen.

Two different places.

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Europe / Re: Spain: Vitoria-Gasteiz, Álava, looking for details on a Convent
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 09:08 BST (UK)  »
I'm not a "Spain-expert" but found that Gasteiz & Gamarra Mayor & Vitoria are all very close to each other.
There is a convent of the Poor Clares called Saint Anthony. 
(Convento de San Antonio, General Loma Plaza 7, 01005 Gasteiz, Araba, Espana)
Phone: +34945233669 Email clarisasvitoria@gmail.com
The convent has been largely absorbed by the city. If there was a burial site then it may have been closed and cleared. But you could write/call the convent and see if they can help you, although they are solely a contemplative order.
You could also approach the municipality of Vitoria-Gasteiz (Ayuntamiento de Vitoria-Gasteiz, Plaza España 1, 01001 Vitoria-Gasteiz, Espana)
Phone: +34 945 16 11 00 Email informacion@vitoria-gasteiz.org



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Europe / Re: Renatus (Rene) Van Laere
« on: Friday 17 November 23 21:21 GMT (UK)  »
You said that "This certificate mentions that Joannes was born on something like the “eersten Nivôse jaer tien der fransch. Republiek”. This would be 21 Dec 1801"
but that is not correct. 1 Nivôse of Year 10 is the 22th of December 1801, not the 21st. The day differs in the course of the years.

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Other Countries / Re: Belgian marriage and births between 1920 and 1930
« on: Monday 14 August 23 12:42 BST (UK)  »
The Belgian privacy law protects vital records as follows:
Death records: 50 years;
Marriage records: 75 years;
Birth records: 100 years;
Census: 120 years.
The fact that records are officially available to the public doesn't mean that all documents have already been scanned, put online, indexed, or even physically available in every town hall or archive, thus it may depend on the town where the records were issued. The national archives are busy having a lot of records scanned (in cooperation with Familysearch Latter-Day-Saints Org) but larger cities and towns are scanning themselves. However, records are still mostly released in batches of 10-year-periods. Researching very recent information (more recent than the ones protected by the law) and obtaining copies of these records is to be performed by the local City Clerk's services, mostly against payment, and allowed only if you (or proxy) can prove to be a direct descendant.

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Armed Forces / Re: Enlistment date and what regiment :
« on: Thursday 17 November 22 10:41 GMT (UK)  »
Well, Brexit was the  @!#a%@est  thing to do. Anyway, FindMyPast accepts Paypal payments so you could use that method to avoid bank charges.

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The Common Room / Re: Public burials - sad thought
« on: Wednesday 16 November 22 10:41 GMT (UK)  »
You will struggle to find "old" graves because in Belgium, graves are not preserved for eternity. "Buying" a plot is not possible anymore. That is the result of a lot of historical events in our area, with successive governments (Austrian, French, Dutch, Belgian) passing laws that led to the current situation. At one point it was possible to buy a "perpetual" concession, which of course was only affordable for the wealthy (abolished as late as 1971). Currently, a grave is kept for a maximum of 50 years. At the time of burial there is a minimum period of, for example, 25 years, depending on the municipality the graveyard is in, after which additional period(s) can be purchased to preserve the grave longer, but never "for ever". After that, the grave, the stone, and therefore also the mortal remains are removed and reburied. Only stone monuments that have a historical or artistic value are to be preserved. It was not until the 18th century that the first voices were heard to break the centuries-old link between church and cemetery. (The RC church refused to bury protestant "heretics" or buried the corpses in a corner, they also refused to bury people who committed suicide, they charged at will for burial, ceremony and mass, made as distinction between paupers and the rich(er) etc.) The eventual transition to secularized cemeteries was very gradual and sometimes not without a struggle. It is in our days the municipalities that manage their cemeteries; not the parishes. In fact, due to the density of the population, there is very little space these days to build new cemeteries and, moreover, an increasing majority of Belgians opt for cremation. A cemetery has a neutral character, and it is not allowed to make a distinction because of the faith or worship of the deceased or the circumstances leading to her/his death. The most recent law regulating the use of cemeteries and funeral services are a regional affair, thus there are decrees valid in Flanders, Wallony and Brussels. If you can read Dutch: here is the decree valid in the Flemish Community:
https://codex.vlaanderen.be/Portals/Codex/documenten/1012053.html#:~:text=Dit%20decreet%20regelt%20een%20gewestaangelegenheid.&text=Iedere%20gemeente%20moet%20over%20ten,een%20gemeenschappelijke%20begraafplaats%20te%20beschikken.

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Europe / Re: Belgian Research
« on: Wednesday 07 September 22 14:17 BST (UK)  »
D'Joos Victor Philippus husband of Maria Florentina Claes died in Germany in 1918, record 4051bis (see in the margin, extra entry, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C33M-ZSW6-V?i=110&cat=1479551

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Europe / Re: Belgian Research
« on: Wednesday 07 September 22 13:02 BST (UK)  »
Check the marriage record & birth record as they had another child born before the marriage and legitimized (Angeline Leopoldina Gydé, later D'Joos, born 5 Jan 1895 (record 119 of the 7th). They lived in Klamperstraat 20, check the population records; they moved from there to Maatstraat then Tulpstraat in Antwerpen. I live like 20 km from there.

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