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Monaghan / Re: LEMON
« on: Wednesday 03 May 17 15:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Toddstown on Wednesday 03 May 17 14:03 BST (UK)
Please refer to technologist founder of the YDNA,  Todd DNA Project, Terry Todd, of Illinois USA, early scans of these Rev. Samuel Agnew pages (which are owned and held by the Kentucky repository as set forth earlier):

http://74.93.73.41/agnew/page-03.png
Isabella Lemon (4) b1820 m. Thomas Leghorn

http://74.93.73.41/agnew/page-02.png
Matilda Lemon m. ______ Dunwoody and had 10 kids, one of which is Martha Dunwoody, #6 of 10, m. D. McCoy [Nickles, McCrum, some Dunwoodys to America];

2nd child, Wm Lemon m. ______, and had a son David Lemon, ___________________ (no detail on this David...so ?)


Thanks very much, that's exactly what I was looking for. Having searched high and low on the internet, I don't think I'd ever have found them. The extra information will hopefully help sort out this Lemon family, and at least rule out the ones that cannot be ours. We are definitely connected to these Lemons because our Lemon ancestors were living in Killycronaghan from at least the 1830s to the mid 20th century.

The dates for the David Lemon, son of William Lemon, don't fit. I believe this David died unmarried in Lisgall, Clones in 1930, aged 83. The informant on his death was Robert Hall, his nephew. Robert was the son of Mary Anne Lemon and Robert Hall.

I believe this William Lemon is the "very old man" called William Lemon mentioned in Reverend Agnew's letters. He died in Killycronaghan on 27th February 1901, aged 87. He was married to Margaret Leary (1825-1909) and the children I have for him correspond with those mentioned in the letters:

John Lemon 1845–1895 unmarried
David Lemon 1847–1930 unmarried
Thomas Lemon c1849–? unknown
Elizabeth Lemon c1850–? unknown
Mary Anne Lemon 1850–1927 married Thomas Hall (1828-after 1911)
Isabella Lemon 1856–after 1911 married Joseph Elliott (1822-1899)
Sarah Jane Lemon 1857–1938 married Robert Williamson (1847-1919)
Martha Lemon 1863–1901 married John McEndoo (1855-?)
Margaret Lemon 1865–1896 unmarried
William Lemon 1868–1922 married Elizabeth Alexander (1882-1961)

It was my great great grandmother who was a Lemon. I am not a Todd or a Lemon by birth, so my Y-DNA wouldn't help.

As David Lemon and Mary Patten (and their descendants) are not mentioned in these letters, I can only assume that it's because we don't descend from Mary Todd, in which case our connection to these Lemons must be a generation further back, possibly through a brother of David's.

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Monaghan / Re: LEMON
« on: Wednesday 03 May 17 12:29 BST (UK)  »
I am also a descendant of the Lemons of Killycronaghan (my father posted earlier on in this thread, but I do all the genealogy research now). We have corresponded with most of the people in this thread in the past.

My 2x great grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Lemon (1868-1911), daughter of John Lemon (1839-1935) and Harriett Anne Williamson (1849-1922). It is this John Lemon who has proven most problematic, as his father was David Lemon and his mother is unknown. Thanks to the civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie site, I have now located deaths for John and Harriett, as well as births for all of their children.

I have obtained a death certificate for a Mary Lemon in Killycronaghan in 1890, aged 85, widow of David Lemon. Her son John was the informant. It is safe to assume that this is our John's mother. It is highly unlikely to be Mary Todd, as she married David Lemon on 15th June 1814 in Killeevan. It is not Martha Jane Hetherington either, as that David Lemon (son of David Lemon and Mary Todd) emigrated to Woodbury, Washington, Minnesota and died there in 1867. Martha remarried to David Marks and died in St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota in 1905.

So that just leaves Mary Patten. We know that a Mary, the daughter of James Patten and Rachel Blakeley of Stonebridge, married David Lemon. There are baptisms at PRONI for children of David Lemon and Mary Patten in Killycronaghan in the 1830s. So far it looks like their children were:

Thomas Lemon 1832–
Eliza Jane Lemon 1833–1906 unmarried
Isabella Lemon 1833–1898 unmarried
Robert Lemon 1834–
Rachel Lemon 1836–1907 married John Martin
John Lemon 1839–1935 married Harriett Anne Williamson
James Lemon 1842–1870 unmarried
Mary Lemon 1847–

John married in Smithboro and Rachel married in Stonebridge. Both gave their addresses as Killycronaghan. Thomas Lemon and Mary Lemon were the witnesses on John's marriage and Martha Dunwoody and Irwin Martin were the witnesses on Rachel's marriage.

So the question is, who was our David Lemon and how did he connect to the family of David Lemon and Mary Todd? Did Mary Todd die and that David remarry to Mary Patten? I can find no record of a death for either David Lemon in Monaghan.

If it's not the same man, then perhaps he was a nephew. The 1825 tithe applotment books for Killycronaghan list David Lemon and Thomas Lemon (senior and junior). Maybe David (married to Mary Todd) and Thomas junior were brothers and their father was Thomas senior. Thomas junior could be the father of the David Lemon who married Mary Patten. Speculation, of course.

I've done a fair bit of research into the descendants of David Lemon and Mary Todd but I'm still unable to find where we fit in. I'd be very interested in any further information contained in Reverend Samuel Agnew's letters to Emilie Todd Helm which may help us get to the bottom of the Lemon family, at long last.

Both my father and I have done DNA testing with Ancestry, and I match a descendant of James Patten and Rachel Blakeley, and have a close match to a descendant of Isabella Lemon and Thomas Leghorn. I believe Isabella was the daughter of William Lemon and Margaret Leary, and William was the son of David Lemon and Mary Todd, but that still hasn't helped solve this mystery.

I look forward to hearing from anyone with further information about this family. Thank-you.

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Monaghan / Re: Gray, Lemon, Williamson, Riddell, Chapman, Moore, Corbett, Byers and Sturgeon
« on: Sunday 30 April 17 18:13 BST (UK)  »
John Byers (1797-1878) and Margaret Sturgeon (1805-1879) had:

Jane c1830-?
Mary Anne 1835-1928
John 1837-1906
Daniel 1839-1930
Eliza 1840-?
William 1847-1923
Rachel 1848-1886
Frances 1850-?

I have DNA matches to descendants of Mary Anne and Daniel. Mary Anne, Daniel, William and Rachel emigrated to Ontario, Canada, and I found Margaret's name from their death certificates. They all married in Tirmadown, which is where John and Margaret died (I have their death certificates). John Jr died in Fermoyle in 1906, I've contacted a couple of his descendants too.

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Monaghan / Re: Gray, Lemon, Williamson, Riddell, Chapman, Moore, Corbett, Byers and Sturgeon
« on: Sunday 30 April 17 17:54 BST (UK)  »
Yes, that's correct. I have marriages for all of their children on my tree on ancestry. I've tried going sideways and forwards, to enable me to go backwards, but feel I've come to a standstill. I've made contact with a number of 2nd and 3rd cousins, I was hoping I may find some more distant cousins with ancestors in the area.

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Monaghan / Re: Gray, Lemon, Williamson, Riddell, Chapman, Moore, Corbett, Byers and Sturgeon
« on: Sunday 30 April 17 17:36 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, I mentioned the Grays briefly but as they were originally from Meath I was focusing on my ancestors from Monaghan.

I've been unable to locate a death certificate for Jane Corbett, nee Byers. She married Samuel Hamilton Corbett in Kilmore, Monaghan in 1855. I don't think the death you posted is correct as Samuel was a widower when he died in Rossnaglough in 1900, so she must have died before 1900.

I've used the civilrecords site to find deaths for my ancestors, where I could, and ordered those I could locate between 1864 and 1891, but there are still some gaps. I don't think that's unusual in Ireland!

Thanks for the advice, mainly I want to ensure that I'm properly prepared and don't waste my time when I'm there.

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Monaghan / Re: Gray, Lemon, Williamson, Riddell, Chapman, Moore, Corbett, Byers and Sturgeon
« on: Sunday 30 April 17 17:10 BST (UK)  »
Yes, thanks, David is my dad. I have more information about the family since then and didn't want to jump on an old thread. I have the records you mention, including the birth certificate for Thomas Gray/Grey, but thanks very much for looking and for confirming my findings. His mother's name on the certificate is Jane Magrane, but there are several spelling variations and the more common spelling is McGrane or McGrayne - I also have DNA matches to other descendants of Jane's father, John McGrayne. I have a subscription to RootsIreland and have checked out many of the records there.

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Monaghan / Gray, Lemon, Williamson, Riddell, Chapman, Moore, Corbett, Byers and Sturgeon
« on: Sunday 30 April 17 15:12 BST (UK)  »
I'm planning a trip to Ireland to research my ancestry in more detail and wondered whether you had any tips or advice on where to go or how to go about it. I have done a lot of research into my family history, but most of my branches are stuck in the early to mid 19th century. They were all Church of Ireland or Presbyterian, and all lived in Monaghan.

The Grays were originally from Baltrasna, Oldcastle, Meath, but my great grandfather John GRAY (1896-1967) moved to Clones. His parents were Thomas Frederick GRAY (1867-1931) and Mary Elizabeth LEMON (1868-1911).

The LEMONS were from Killycronaghan, Killeevan. My great great grandfather was John LEMON (c1839-1935). His father was David LEMON, his mother was probably Mary PATTEN (1805-1890), daughter of James PATTEN and Rachel BLAKELEY. There were other Lemons in Killycronaghan but it is not known where David fits in.

The Williamsons were from Listellan, Killeevan. My great great grandmother was Harriett Anne WILLIAMSON (c1849-1922), who was married to John LEMON. Her parents were John WILLIAMSON (c1818-1884) and Sarah RIDDELL (c1820-1886). John's father was James WILLIAMSON, his mother's name is unknown.

The Riddells were from Mullycrock, Tullycorbet. I found a great deal about them in "The History of the Ancient Ryedales" written in 1884 by GT Ridlon. Sarah's parents were Thomas RIDDELL and a Miss SLOAN. No dates for them.

The Chapmans were from Dundrennan, Ematris. My great grandmother was Lucinda Isabella CHAPMAN (1899-1942). She was married to John GRAY. She was born in Drumlinny and her parents were Robert CHAPMAN (c1861-1932) and Margaret Jane CORBETT (c1863-1944). Robert's parents were Robert CHAPMAN (1824-1902) and Margaret MOORE (c1841-1921). Robert senior's parents were John and Sarah CHAPMAN (no further information about them).

The Moores were from Dromore, Errigal Trough. Margaret's father was Charles MOORE, her mother is unknown.

The Corbetts were from Drumaclan, Kilmore; and Rossnaglough, Aghabog. My 3x great grandfather was Samuel Hamilton CORBETT (c1830-1900). His father was also called Samuel Hamilton CORBETT. They were both schoolmasters, but I don't know where (possibly Rockcorry School or Brownhill National School as his daughter went there) and I have no further information about Samuel senior.

The Byers family were from Tirmadown, Kilmore. My 3x great grandmother was Jane BYERS (c1830-?) who was married to Samuel Hamilton CORBETT junior. Her parents were John BYERS (c1797-1878) and Margaret STURGEON (c1805-1878). They are also brickwalls.

Any advice on how to continue my search would be greatly appreciated. I feel I've exhausted all online sources and need to continue my search on foot, but I'd rather be prepared when I go to Ireland so I make the most of my time there. I'm also asking on the off-chance that other people here may be related to these families.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Elliot

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Monaghan / Re: CORBETT, JAMES and family
« on: Sunday 30 April 17 14:59 BST (UK)  »
My great great grandmother was Margaret Jane Corbett (1863-1944). She married Robert Chapman and was from Aghabog, Monaghan. Her parents were Samuel Hamilton Corbett (1830-1900) and Jane Byers. Samuel's father was also called Samuel Hamilton Corbett and they were both schoolmasters, possibly at Brownhill National School or Rockcorry School. Samuel lived in Drumaclan, Kilmore, Monaghan. I am not sure whether he connects to the Corbetts you mention, although I do note that there are several Samuel Corbetts in your family.

Regards,
Elliot

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