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Dumfriesshire / Re: Help required please
« on: Friday 27 June 08 23:15 BST (UK) »
Thanx for that to both of you Lesslyegreen and Gadget . Stuart
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Dumfriesshire / Re: MI's -Morton Parish
« on: Friday 27 June 08 16:28 BST (UK) »
Dont know if it is of any help but I have a Nicholas Kellock (no birth details) who married My Thomas Williamson 4th December 1820 Morton in Thornhill
Stuart
Stuart
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Dumfriesshire / Re: John KELLOCK look up
« on: Friday 27 June 08 16:26 BST (UK) »
Dont know if it is of any help but I have a Nicholas Kellock (no birth details) who married My Thomas Williamson 4th December 1820 Morton in Thornhill
Stuart
Stuart
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Dumfriesshire / Re: John KELLOCK look up
« on: Friday 27 June 08 16:25 BST (UK) »
Dont know if it is of any help but I have a Nicholas Kellock (no birth details) who married My Thomas Williamson 4th December 1820
Stuart
Stuart
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Dumfriesshire / Re: MI's -Morton Parish
« on: Friday 27 June 08 16:24 BST (UK) »
Dont know if it is of any help but I have a Nicholas Kellock (no birth details) who married My Thomas Williamson 4th December 1820
Stuart
Stuart
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Dumfriesshire / Help required please
« on: Friday 27 June 08 16:06 BST (UK) »
I have a Jane Neil, age 9, born Closeburn. She is listed on 1861 census as being at the household of James Williamson age 70 Master Joiner, and Nicholas Williamson age 70 at Camplebridge. she is listed as Granddaughter. I know that James and Nicholas had three daughters Elizabeth, Jessie and Jane. But none appear to have married a Neil. Neither can I find a birth record of a Jane Neil in Closeburn 1851/2. I need to find her birth details and her parents names so that I can fit her in my tree.
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Milne Deaths
« on: Sunday 25 May 08 15:58 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Well did you put this to your father for his input. Have watched with interest for your reply.
Stuart
Well did you put this to your father for his input. Have watched with interest for your reply.
Stuart
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Lancashire / Re: Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Thursday 24 January 08 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Yes please I would like an extract of the map that you mention.
As regards Ann Williamson 6 Back Fawcett St, Is this from 1821-22 diectory or 11841 census.
1821 is I feel too early.
As my Thomas and wife Agnes appear to have moved from Dumfriesshire between 1836 to 1839. Deduced because following their marriage 1835 Lochmabbon, Dumfriesshire their first born a daughter (Nicholas) was born 1836 Dumfriesshire and the second a son (James)was born 2nd qu Manchester.
I have found them on 1841 census at Fawcett St, But also next door
on the same census are Agnes's parents and siblings, Namely Robert and Nicholas Jardine (nee Johnston)
As you state the house have no numbers.
For them to have migrated so far, it suggests that more than one section of the family moved together or in a very short space of time. This then poses the question of how many more of the family also made the move. Thomas the eldest of 10 ha d 6 brothers in all, all apprenticed to the father, a Joiner/Carpenter/Wheelwright. One migrated to Birmingham the another to Liverpool, the
youngest brother who was a scholar at the time of Thomas's migration remained in Closeburn, Dumfriesshire in the family home and workplace and continued the family business long after his fathers death. He eventually died still in the area.
To get back to my Thomas most of his sons were also joiners, I suspect having been apprenticed to him. I also suspect that he would on arrival in Manchester would have been employed for his joinery skills, rather than as just manpower, ie labourer.
Another point, Agnes's father was a Tailor in Dumfriesshire, but on the 1841 census in Fawcett St, he is a Sawyer. (a semi Skilled wood cutter)I also suspect that he was working with or at the same place as Thomas.
I am now asking myself, would a cotton mill owner have recriuted a joiner and Sawyer, or was there a Sawmill etc. in the area.
Your comments please.
Stuart
Yes please I would like an extract of the map that you mention.
As regards Ann Williamson 6 Back Fawcett St, Is this from 1821-22 diectory or 11841 census.
1821 is I feel too early.
As my Thomas and wife Agnes appear to have moved from Dumfriesshire between 1836 to 1839. Deduced because following their marriage 1835 Lochmabbon, Dumfriesshire their first born a daughter (Nicholas) was born 1836 Dumfriesshire and the second a son (James)was born 2nd qu Manchester.
I have found them on 1841 census at Fawcett St, But also next door
on the same census are Agnes's parents and siblings, Namely Robert and Nicholas Jardine (nee Johnston)
As you state the house have no numbers.
For them to have migrated so far, it suggests that more than one section of the family moved together or in a very short space of time. This then poses the question of how many more of the family also made the move. Thomas the eldest of 10 ha d 6 brothers in all, all apprenticed to the father, a Joiner/Carpenter/Wheelwright. One migrated to Birmingham the another to Liverpool, the
youngest brother who was a scholar at the time of Thomas's migration remained in Closeburn, Dumfriesshire in the family home and workplace and continued the family business long after his fathers death. He eventually died still in the area.
To get back to my Thomas most of his sons were also joiners, I suspect having been apprenticed to him. I also suspect that he would on arrival in Manchester would have been employed for his joinery skills, rather than as just manpower, ie labourer.
Another point, Agnes's father was a Tailor in Dumfriesshire, but on the 1841 census in Fawcett St, he is a Sawyer. (a semi Skilled wood cutter)I also suspect that he was working with or at the same place as Thomas.
I am now asking myself, would a cotton mill owner have recriuted a joiner and Sawyer, or was there a Sawmill etc. in the area.
Your comments please.
Stuart
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Lancashire / Fawcett St, Hulme, Manchester
« on: Tuesday 22 January 08 14:42 GMT (UK) »
According to 1841 census My GG Grandparents Thomas and Agnes Williamson and her Parents were living next dorr to each other in Fawcett St. Hume, Manchester. In 1841 the houses have no numbers.
As both these families had reacently moved to the area from Dumfrieshire, Scotland. I am of the opinion that these dwellings could well have been Mill Owners houses, built by a particular Mill owner and made available to prospective employees for the purpose of migration.
I wish to determine who had this Street of houses built and or who owned them at this time. This would give me a lead as to where my ancestors were employed and by whom. The period that I am researching in respect of this matter is 1837 to 1841.
Any assistance would be most welcome.
Stuart
As both these families had reacently moved to the area from Dumfrieshire, Scotland. I am of the opinion that these dwellings could well have been Mill Owners houses, built by a particular Mill owner and made available to prospective employees for the purpose of migration.
I wish to determine who had this Street of houses built and or who owned them at this time. This would give me a lead as to where my ancestors were employed and by whom. The period that I am researching in respect of this matter is 1837 to 1841.
Any assistance would be most welcome.
Stuart