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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 19:01 BST (UK) »
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 18:51 BST (UK) »
Oh God just get a life will you.
And while you are at it close my account because I, unsurprisingly, cannot find a way to delete my own from here.
And while you are at it close my account because I, unsurprisingly, cannot find a way to delete my own from here.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 17:24 BST (UK) »
I was not asking for help in my research. I have already explained that you very clearly in my previous email. Once more, when all the work I and a professional genealogist have done - neither of us are beginners - do you understand?? the most likely scanario is the KIldwick.
I boiled the whole thing down precisely in an attempt to avoid all the muddle headed ------- that you have thrown at me these past 2 emails. One thing I have found over the last 10 years following my family lines is that the amateur genealogist world is infested with know know-alls who assume that everyone they speak operates on the same level as they do, or 10 levels below.
a) No it is NOT more likely. I have been through that one ad nauseam and I am not going to spend the next 30 minutes explaining that one to you.
b) You made that mistake as well as my genealogist. Uxor is latin for wife. We actually agree on something
c) Yes. Thank you I am well aware that November comes before December. I learned that some time back in junior school
I do not give a fig whether Elizabeth was related to Benjamin Gott. Its just that BG was a famous guy, so there is more of a likelyhood that there might be a family tree lurking somewhere. That is the only reason BG is or could be remotely relevant. Incidently there is a suggestion that Elizabeth may have been a Gott but it does not come from parish registers.
To spell it out in very very simple terms,
- I want to find out whether Elizabeth was previously married
- The reason for that is because I want to find out what her maiden name was
- The reason for that is because I want to find who her parents were
- We, after lots and lots of study have determined that, for now, Kildwick is the most likely spot to look.
- Part of the reason is that we have done the maths in and around Grantham and we have done the maths in and around Rothwell and have come up empty handed. Nothing fits so we have determined that, for now, the most likely possibility is that Cryer was not her maiden name and until that comes up as nil we will pursue it.
I boiled the whole thing down precisely in an attempt to avoid all the muddle headed ------- that you have thrown at me these past 2 emails. One thing I have found over the last 10 years following my family lines is that the amateur genealogist world is infested with know know-alls who assume that everyone they speak operates on the same level as they do, or 10 levels below.
a) No it is NOT more likely. I have been through that one ad nauseam and I am not going to spend the next 30 minutes explaining that one to you.
b) You made that mistake as well as my genealogist. Uxor is latin for wife. We actually agree on something
c) Yes. Thank you I am well aware that November comes before December. I learned that some time back in junior school
I do not give a fig whether Elizabeth was related to Benjamin Gott. Its just that BG was a famous guy, so there is more of a likelyhood that there might be a family tree lurking somewhere. That is the only reason BG is or could be remotely relevant. Incidently there is a suggestion that Elizabeth may have been a Gott but it does not come from parish registers.
To spell it out in very very simple terms,
- I want to find out whether Elizabeth was previously married
- The reason for that is because I want to find out what her maiden name was
- The reason for that is because I want to find who her parents were
- We, after lots and lots of study have determined that, for now, Kildwick is the most likely spot to look.
- Part of the reason is that we have done the maths in and around Grantham and we have done the maths in and around Rothwell and have come up empty handed. Nothing fits so we have determined that, for now, the most likely possibility is that Cryer was not her maiden name and until that comes up as nil we will pursue it.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Monday 22 August 22 01:24 BST (UK) »
- Im not jumping to conclusions nor am I leaping across gaps which is why I posted as I did.
- I have already done a lot of work on this and this is a very condensed "most likely" as things stand
- If you want all the evidence I have then I will post an 8 page Lincolnshire genealogist report which noone will bother to read. I could add a Joseph Foster Calverley pedigree that goes back to King Stephen if you like too...see how many people want to read that.
- "Going over ground covered". I have also posted in the style I have because I do not expect anyone to do my work for me. Why should they? They have their own stuff to deal with. Im just trying to trigger a memory from someones own family investigations
- I have spent the past 2 weeks trawling through the registers of some 8 parishes including Rothwell and this is where I am at now. I can practically recite both volumes of Rothwell to you by heart. The Calverleys were there for hundreds of years.
- I did not give the year of the Calverley / Cryer marriage because it is irrelevant. The question here here is was Elizabeth married previously and if so what was her maiden name? William has nothing to do with this. I only mention him for context. Otherwise it just muddles the issue.
- Benjamin Gott. Another reason for my post is that `working backwards` as you put it is not the same as working forwards. All you tend to end up with is a great long list of people with the same family name. Most times it is impossible to tell even how many lines there are. You need a fixed point somewhere and that is what is currently lacking.
- Beyond parish registers? I know. I have been at this family tree stuff for 10 years. There is nothing in the Calverley Charters at the B Museum etc etc. I have been in this situation before several times with other family lines and if all else fails you go fishing on the internet.
- I have never used a pay website. It has never been necessary. Internetarchive, family search, parliament on line, public collections and a host of other sources have stood me well for years.
Heres another example of why Im not interested in paysites. A friend checked for a parent of Elizabeth on ancestry. Over 200 family sites gave her Father as a Homer Cryer (Homer here married Rhoda West in Louisiana in 1815...)
Likewise (and I am working from memory here as I am afraid I will lose all the above if I go searching my threads on this site) If I recall correctly someone has recently suggested on my Cryer thread that, was it William, could have married someone of 90+ years. Have I got that right? I didnt really know what to say to that so so far I have not responded
Again working from memory
- Ibbetson thread some 5 years ago I provided a large amount of info. Cant remember anyone thanking me for that. Didnt bother me. Richard Doig was perfectly pleasant, then it went to email so you have no idea how it panned out.
- Wilford just became a thread
- A few weeks back I offered to send someone a tree on their Nathaniel Calverley thread and I received no response. Big deal.
But I dont think my`supposed`lack of manners on your site has anything to do with your comments to that end. You are just slapping me back.
As I understand it this is not a business so technically I am not a customer however I am sure you can square the circle when I say that in my business some of the best ideas for new products adjustments and improvements come from robust criticisms from our customers. We do not have a mindset where we take umbrage and become defensive when someone has a go at us. We embrace it. These are the people who buy and use what we supply. They are the reason we exist as an entity. Its not a case of oh weve been around for 30 years and we had a good profit last year so what can anybody tell us that we dont know already.
You do not like criticsm, which goes a long way to explaining why this site is the way it is.
Just because you dont like what someone says doesnt make their point invalid.
- I have already done a lot of work on this and this is a very condensed "most likely" as things stand
- If you want all the evidence I have then I will post an 8 page Lincolnshire genealogist report which noone will bother to read. I could add a Joseph Foster Calverley pedigree that goes back to King Stephen if you like too...see how many people want to read that.
- "Going over ground covered". I have also posted in the style I have because I do not expect anyone to do my work for me. Why should they? They have their own stuff to deal with. Im just trying to trigger a memory from someones own family investigations
- I have spent the past 2 weeks trawling through the registers of some 8 parishes including Rothwell and this is where I am at now. I can practically recite both volumes of Rothwell to you by heart. The Calverleys were there for hundreds of years.
- I did not give the year of the Calverley / Cryer marriage because it is irrelevant. The question here here is was Elizabeth married previously and if so what was her maiden name? William has nothing to do with this. I only mention him for context. Otherwise it just muddles the issue.
- Benjamin Gott. Another reason for my post is that `working backwards` as you put it is not the same as working forwards. All you tend to end up with is a great long list of people with the same family name. Most times it is impossible to tell even how many lines there are. You need a fixed point somewhere and that is what is currently lacking.
- Beyond parish registers? I know. I have been at this family tree stuff for 10 years. There is nothing in the Calverley Charters at the B Museum etc etc. I have been in this situation before several times with other family lines and if all else fails you go fishing on the internet.
- I have never used a pay website. It has never been necessary. Internetarchive, family search, parliament on line, public collections and a host of other sources have stood me well for years.
Heres another example of why Im not interested in paysites. A friend checked for a parent of Elizabeth on ancestry. Over 200 family sites gave her Father as a Homer Cryer (Homer here married Rhoda West in Louisiana in 1815...)
Likewise (and I am working from memory here as I am afraid I will lose all the above if I go searching my threads on this site) If I recall correctly someone has recently suggested on my Cryer thread that, was it William, could have married someone of 90+ years. Have I got that right? I didnt really know what to say to that so so far I have not responded
Again working from memory
- Ibbetson thread some 5 years ago I provided a large amount of info. Cant remember anyone thanking me for that. Didnt bother me. Richard Doig was perfectly pleasant, then it went to email so you have no idea how it panned out.
- Wilford just became a thread
- A few weeks back I offered to send someone a tree on their Nathaniel Calverley thread and I received no response. Big deal.
But I dont think my`supposed`lack of manners on your site has anything to do with your comments to that end. You are just slapping me back.
As I understand it this is not a business so technically I am not a customer however I am sure you can square the circle when I say that in my business some of the best ideas for new products adjustments and improvements come from robust criticisms from our customers. We do not have a mindset where we take umbrage and become defensive when someone has a go at us. We embrace it. These are the people who buy and use what we supply. They are the reason we exist as an entity. Its not a case of oh weve been around for 30 years and we had a good profit last year so what can anybody tell us that we dont know already.
You do not like criticsm, which goes a long way to explaining why this site is the way it is.
Just because you dont like what someone says doesnt make their point invalid.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Saturday 20 August 22 23:33 BST (UK) »
So why is there a new topic button on every page.
Even on a page where is not applicable ??
Even on a page where is not applicable ??
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Saturday 20 August 22 21:54 BST (UK) »
I didnt.
I clicked the new topic button which I thought was fairly logical.
Someone needs to clean out this site then start again from scratch. It really is a dogs dinner. It has the " I put this thing together and use and manage it day to day, and (because of that) it is easy " written all over it. Instead of which whoever owns this thing should be asking themself " If I come on here for the first time or occasionally (like me) how will I find it?? And if they cant answer the question they should be asking people (like me for instance) who can.
Mass market products win or lose basis their accessibility and ease of operation. Dishwasher or a website, makes no difference.
This thing is a great idea, it really is, but it is dated, clunky and way over complicated and it is a real pain to use.
Thank you
I clicked the new topic button which I thought was fairly logical.
Someone needs to clean out this site then start again from scratch. It really is a dogs dinner. It has the " I put this thing together and use and manage it day to day, and (because of that) it is easy " written all over it. Instead of which whoever owns this thing should be asking themself " If I come on here for the first time or occasionally (like me) how will I find it?? And if they cant answer the question they should be asking people (like me for instance) who can.
Mass market products win or lose basis their accessibility and ease of operation. Dishwasher or a website, makes no difference.
This thing is a great idea, it really is, but it is dated, clunky and way over complicated and it is a real pain to use.
Thank you
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Saturday 20 August 22 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hi all
On Nov 2 Elizabeth Cryer married William Calverley at Rothwell nr Leeds.
I / we are looking for a breakthrough on Elizabeths family. We have nothing else at present.
Some investigation suggests that Cryer may not have been her birth name and that William above was not her first husband. So far the most likely possibility is as follows.
William Cryer married Elizabeth Gott on June 21 1586 at Kildwick, nr Leeds. A William Cryer died and was buried July 21 1598.
Benjamin Gott 1762- did very well in Leeds during the industrial revolution and this sort of thing tends to drown out previous family history in internet searches so it may be the same family, but so far we have no way of confirming that
Can anyone help us here please?
Thank you.
On Nov 2 Elizabeth Cryer married William Calverley at Rothwell nr Leeds.
I / we are looking for a breakthrough on Elizabeths family. We have nothing else at present.
Some investigation suggests that Cryer may not have been her birth name and that William above was not her first husband. So far the most likely possibility is as follows.
William Cryer married Elizabeth Gott on June 21 1586 at Kildwick, nr Leeds. A William Cryer died and was buried July 21 1598.
Benjamin Gott 1762- did very well in Leeds during the industrial revolution and this sort of thing tends to drown out previous family history in internet searches so it may be the same family, but so far we have no way of confirming that
Can anyone help us here please?
Thank you.
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Family History Beginners Board / Dobson, Dobbson, Dobeson, Dobbin, Dobbins, Dobbings, Dobbinson, Dobbison
« on: Thursday 18 August 22 23:23 BST (UK) »
Hi all
In 1548 Robert Calverley married Joanna Dobson at Rothwell Holy Trinity (nr Leeds). Robert died Aug 1588 and was buried at Calverley (Village) St Wilfrids, not far from Rothwell. Joanna likely the same.
The Rothwell registers beginning 1538 evidence a seemingly endless parade of Dobsons from who knows how many unrelated families, or maybe just one. Purely using the registers it is not possible to tell
Robert and Joanna are x11 Gt grandparents of mine/ours and whilst there is plenty on the Calverleys going back to the time of Matilda we have nothing on Joanna bar her name so I am looking for info about Joannas` family tree.
Can anyone help please ?
Thanks
In 1548 Robert Calverley married Joanna Dobson at Rothwell Holy Trinity (nr Leeds). Robert died Aug 1588 and was buried at Calverley (Village) St Wilfrids, not far from Rothwell. Joanna likely the same.
The Rothwell registers beginning 1538 evidence a seemingly endless parade of Dobsons from who knows how many unrelated families, or maybe just one. Purely using the registers it is not possible to tell
Robert and Joanna are x11 Gt grandparents of mine/ours and whilst there is plenty on the Calverleys going back to the time of Matilda we have nothing on Joanna bar her name so I am looking for info about Joannas` family tree.
Can anyone help please ?
Thanks
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Looking for Nathaniel Calverley
« on: Wednesday 20 July 22 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Angela
I have stumbled across your very very old post here. Maybe you resolved the Nathaniel thing long ago?
I have a very old and large `Joseph Foster Calverley pedigree` that goes back to c1100
I can see one Nathaniel on it but there may be others. Its a very big and detailed tree. He was the son of Edmund (d1658) and Eleanor. However Edmund was born in Kent. According to the tree there is also an Essex connection. He married `somebody` Brown
I am a Calverley in all but name, through my paternal Grandmother. She was the youngest daughter of John Selwin Calverley who lived at Oulton Hall etc
Best regards, Tim
I have stumbled across your very very old post here. Maybe you resolved the Nathaniel thing long ago?
I have a very old and large `Joseph Foster Calverley pedigree` that goes back to c1100
I can see one Nathaniel on it but there may be others. Its a very big and detailed tree. He was the son of Edmund (d1658) and Eleanor. However Edmund was born in Kent. According to the tree there is also an Essex connection. He married `somebody` Brown
I am a Calverley in all but name, through my paternal Grandmother. She was the youngest daughter of John Selwin Calverley who lived at Oulton Hall etc
Best regards, Tim
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