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Lanarkshire / Re: divorced?
« on: Monday 13 February 06 15:08 GMT (UK)  »
I still would not accuse someone whose marriage was formalised by a Warrant as 'Irregular'.

No question of 'accusation'. It was the correct term for a marriage not performed according to the rites of one religion or another.

Forfarian

Not in 2006 it isn't. It was a stated as fact without explanation, hence the rebuttal.

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Dublin / Re: I Need current Dublin Phone Directory info
« on: Saturday 11 February 06 17:07 GMT (UK)  »
One thing - only around 10% of thioe with phones in Ireland actially have a listing shown. The bulk of them are all ex-directory... but you might be lucky All the best!

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Dublin / Re: I Need current Dublin Phone Directory info
« on: Saturday 11 February 06 14:51 GMT (UK)  »
The offical Irish phone book is online - www.goldenpages.ie - click on the 'Phone Book' link for residential listings, not the classified.

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Lanarkshire / Re: JELLYHILL FARM - Cadder
« on: Saturday 11 February 06 14:47 GMT (UK)  »
Strange - I had posted a reply debunking the 'Riggs/Tithe' myth and it's disappeared. There's no doubt, Bishopbriggs evolved from Bishops Bridge and appears in maps of the period from several sources - including, and thanks for that (!) the birth record.  Cadder was the prime location, with everything hanging from that... Bishop Bridge being simply a locality within Cadder district, rather than the other way around!  But I'm still no further in defining WHEN the corruption took place, the 1850's seems to be when it all went wrong, and long before the 'Villa Mansions' of railway fame were built in the area. (The owners of the villas got free railway travel).

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Lanarkshire / Re: JELLYHILL FARM - Cadder
« on: Wednesday 08 February 06 17:59 GMT (UK)  »
I'm trying to discover when Bishopbriggs's name became corrupted - my maps of the area confirmed it was really called 'Bishop Bridges', and was part of the Cadder lands (and adjacent to Jellyhill). The best I can reach is circa 1880, does your Jellyhill research thow any light on the name used?

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Ireland / Re: Irish Ancestry
« on: Wednesday 08 February 06 16:47 GMT (UK)  »
I thought I was up and running with mine, but it went pear-shaped. I was able to trace back to a Marriage Certificate of a now-defunct church (St Mark's - Dublin). Fortunately, as a Church of Ireland establishment, when the parish is amalgamated, all the records go to the CoI Library which is in Churchtown (how appropriate!) Dublin.  Because I had identified St Marks as the marriage location, I was hoping that I'd find my Gt-Gt-Gndmothers Baptismal Record, as her hubby was Scottish, is seemed reasonable to assume it was her 'home' parish.  The library gave me access to the original Register used between 1830-1860 and I ploughed through it, but even though the writing was faded in places, there was no bith record in that period for that Parish, and short of going through every equivalent book, I'm effectively stuffed.

Interestingly though, I noted a similar family surname, where 5 children to the same couple registered the birth's of 4 girls and a boy. Their name was clearly Smith, but the child's surname was shown variously as Smyth and Smith, even when the baptism was done by the SAME clergyman! 

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Lanarkshire / Re: Marriage, St Vincent Street, Glasgow
« on: Thursday 02 February 06 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
A 'writer' is indeed one of the tasks of a solicitor's office - not necessarily a 'writer to the signet' - usually denoted as 'WS', which is a law library in Edinburgh.  It does appear that these 'Warrant' marriages, by and large are/were performed in commercial properties, usually solicitor's offices.

Regarding 473 St Vincent Street, I recall this area in the 1950's, and it is a red sandstone property (a standard tenement). Once St.V crosses North Street (where the M8 now passes) commercial properties gave way to high density housing, usually with shops/pubs on the ground floor front, with 2 room houses to the rear ground, and 4 room houses on the upper floors.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Marriage, St Vincent Street, Glasgow
« on: Tuesday 31 January 06 08:40 GMT (UK)  »
The Glasgow addresses are fairly spread about and in a mix of areas

Bath Street addresses are quite far apart in the street with 51 being nearer the city centre its possible that these were offices/homes

21 Hope street is at the bottom end of the street and while it is now primarily a business address at that time it would have been a tenement building
(the same goes for 19 Howard Street)

The other possibility is that some of these could have been meeting houses for different groups (e.g. Salvation Army) 

Have to disagree slightly. None of the streets mentioned were high density housing, and the Post Office directory of the time lists commercial names at a ratio of 3/1 for these streets. I seriously doubt that the 'bottom end of Hope Street' was residential as by that time the buildings were new, to complement the arrival of the Railway Station (from over the river).

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Lanarkshire / Re: divorced?
« on: Sunday 29 January 06 12:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Russell,

Yup, I find it most strange too, especially as my parents were forced to change their married surname to prevent me (at that time) being singled out for 'special attention' by the bigots. The rest of the UK only seems to single out Racism and Homophobia as a problem, but bigotry pre-dates it and it has never been properly addressed or eradicated. Perhaps this is why I hold the church in so much contempt, perhaps not so much the cause, but doing virtually nothing to resolve the problem. It has reached the stage where in my neck of the woods (5m north of the Clyde) in that the two local Secondary schools (Non-denominational & Catholic) stagger their lunch and closing times by 15 minutes to prevent school buses and those walking home being attacked. It's only a minority - granted - but the fact it still exists in 2006 is a depressing thought.

As you say, the Black Death was a great leveller - but god knows (pun intended) what the solution is going to be. At least with racism, anti-semitism, and homophobia, it keeps the nutters busy, and lessens the bigotry?  Who knows!

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