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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Friday 10 March 06 10:15 GMT (UK)  »
Me again Caz, so Eliza Pearce was we presume on her second marriage with Cornelius.  What ages are given for each on the certificate>

xxTiffylynne

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Friday 10 March 06 09:57 GMT (UK)  »
Morning Caz, Whoopsydoo does this confuse you or what!!!! 

What place of residence was given on the marriage certificate?

xxxTiffylynne

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Wednesday 08 March 06 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
Morning Caz, cor the trouble I had trying to get your message to come up, me pc went all wonky on me.  Poor you, your gonna have to buy some of those support tights soon to stop the varicose veins.  Nice to hear from you again, 'cos would still like to find out about Cornelius.  Do you know, having been involved on Genes Reunited and helping out peeps, they did narf like to have kids out of wedlock in those days.  They way they go on about single parents these days, you'd think we had invented it.  Ooooooh, those naughty victorians!!!!

xxTiffyLynne

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Tuesday 21 February 06 12:54 GMT (UK)  »
Look forward to hearing. 

Will try to come up with a "cunning plan" to endear him to your enthusiasm of the Search!!

xxLynne

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Wednesday 15 February 06 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Caz, I'm still breathing, did you get any further with Missing Cornelius

xxLynne

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Friday 20 January 06 13:29 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Caz,

please don't forget to let me know how you get on with 2nd marr cert for Cornelius

Lynne

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Friday 13 January 06 15:09 GMT (UK)  »
Caz, just typed a load of stuff and lost it!!! briefly, you stated Charlotte and James Arundell as witnesses to Cornelious marriage.

Matilda, who does not seem to be around whatever I do - if she was not at wedding, then Charlotte Jnr or Snr, whichever witnessed might have come clean for this purpose, as there was no embarrassment to Matilda!  If Cornelius married in his own parish, it might have been risky to name somebody who was NOT his father.  It looks very suspicious that he is registered LAWRENCE the same surname as Matilda and YET his father is stated as LAWRENCE although Matilda is still a single Lawrence.  However, I don't know if people had to produce their birth certificates as proof of age in those days, and if they did, they would have seen that his father was not on the certificate, but how you could check as to what the procedure was before banns I don't know

Look forward to hearing when you get 2nd marriage cert

regards

Almost exhausted

Tiffy 

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Friday 13 January 06 13:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Caz, well much of what Valda says is what I have been thinking.  I too found William and Ann Herbert in Queen Street Cheltenham 1871 and again, I think in 1881 with further children.  However, if Clara was first born, followed by two boys 1866 and 1868, then why was Clara shunted off to live with their Aunts??  At one stage I thought that Clara might just have been visiting on the day of the 1871 census, but this is not the case because she seems to be living with them up to 1901 and probably by 1903 where I think I found her death.
It seems so strange to give the first born child (of a legal marriage) away to family to bring up, doesn't it?

There is also the senario that Ann just took William's surname without ever marrying, that used to happen then and all children were legally registered by both parents under Herbert surname.

With Cornelius, as I mentioned a few messages back, Charlotte (or someone) may have come clean in order for his marriage details, or fictitious to save face at time of marriage.  Was the Charlotte witness to marriage Senior or Junior.  If by Charlotte junior suspect this might be a true father name, if Mother was dead at time of marriage and no further embarrassment to her.

As there seems to be no sons produced by Charlotte Senior and you suspect incest, then perhaps an Uncle or Cousin were involved!!!

One could keep going.

Tiffy

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Gloucestershire / Re: "MISSING" Cornelius George Lawrence.....UPDATED and none the wiser
« on: Wednesday 11 January 06 11:32 GMT (UK)  »
Certainly seems that the girls were not the marrying kind.  With no records findable for Ann or Matilda getting married and Charlotte and Elizabeth and also Clara all remaining single.  Have only checked a few Ann Derrett deaths on Ancestry, but the few I have looked at give her age at time of death far far too old, but possibilities Ann and Matilda could have died between the two censuses.  Anyway if I come across any more news will write and wait to hear results of your cert.  I suppose my last message re Clara's death certificate won't put further light on her parentage will it.

Tiffylynne

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