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England / Re: Robert TYSER
« on: Monday 23 October 17 21:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
No Henry was born on 22 March 1808 and then christened 6 May at St George's, Hanover Square. You can see the original written church record in Ancestry.co.uk.  I have really searched and cannot find any other Henry born in 1805. Robert Tyser's brothers in Essex were also having children around that time, but none named Henry.
Thank you for your long private mail - I have terrible problems with my phone line and pc internet at the moment, but will reply in due course re Smiths.

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England / Re: Robert TYSER
« on: Thursday 19 October 17 09:13 BST (UK)  »
Yes, sorry, I was careless.
Maria Ball married Robert Tyser on 8 February 1804; she was buried on 13 February 1805. I also assumed she must have died in childbirth, although there were plenty of other possible causes at that time, eg TB, but I haven't found any baby that fits (loads of other baby Tysers, but born to Robert's brothers/cousins around Barking).
RT then married Maria Walter on 5 October 1805.
The first son, Robert Walter Tyser, was born on 7 September 1806. Henry followed 22 March 1808, George 1810, John 1811, Louisa 1812, Maria 1816.
Mother Maria died 1817.
Yes Maria is pretty prevalent in the family. My guess is that it was probably pronounced Mar-eye-a (in my family of Protestants, that was how my aunt's name was used). My own name, Georgina, was also pronounced differently at that time.
Maria Walter's mother was also Maria: Anna Maria Walter nee Brasier.
I hope I've now got it all right. I have a tree on Ancestry co.uk btw.

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England / Re: Robert Tyser
« on: Wednesday 18 October 17 17:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hamburger on Thursday 12 March 09 11:58 GMT (UK)
Robert Tyser had three wives, the first was just Emily (no other data)
I have discovered the name of the first wife of Robert Tyser (not Emily). Her name was Maria Ball. She was born 27 March 1784 to Henry Ball and Sarah Beaver; she was christened at St Marylebone on 11 May 1784. She married Robert Tyser on 4 Feb 1804 at All Hallows, Barking By the Tower. She died aged only 20 - possibly in childbirth but so far no child found - and was buried 13 Feb 1805 in Barking, Essex.
(https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=r_266513279&fulfillmentTypeKey=6982)

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: St Philips Birmingham Baptisms
« on: Friday 19 August 16 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks anyway.

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / St Philips Birmingham Baptisms
« on: Thursday 18 August 16 17:05 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for any children of Edward Roberts and Mary Ensor, who married at St Philip's Birmingham on 4 September 1769, one name is Charles William Lewis Roberts but they apparently had several, inc more sons. Could someone please look up for me, or tell me how I can. Many thanks.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Arabella Bayley
« on: Thursday 05 February 15 16:25 GMT (UK)  »
The name of Mrs Bayley's second husband is William Bennett: he gives evidence to the House of Lords (it is all written out online) and says that after Arabella and Prockter Thomas parted, she went with her daughter. The tone suggests he didn't expect (?or want) her back again. As Arabella was pregnant with Robert Bayley Tyser, she presumably needed mummy's support. (You can look at the evidence at:  "Prockter Thomas divorce" in Journals of the House of Lords in Google Books which you can follow through as it crops up in four or five different parliamentary sessions of the Lords.
My interest is simply that through his marriage to Arabella, Robert Tyser sr. appears to have dumped his five children (including Maria Sarah, the youngest, my gt gt gt grandmother who was born as Maria Walter, the second wife of R.T., died in 1816. So he was a v attractive widower already involved with Arabella, as the evidence suggests.
Slightly prurient to read what the various servants tell the Lords!

Best wishes, Georgina

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Arabella Bayley
« on: Sunday 01 February 15 17:35 GMT (UK)  »
Arabella was born in Nantwich in 1780 to Peter and Sarah Bayley. Married to Robert TYSER born 1779
(I posted this under Tyser but hope that someone here may have interest)

I made a bit of a breakthrough this week:  I discovered that Robert's third wife Arabella Bayley was a married woman (to William Prockter Thomas in 1811). This marriage was dissolved in 1819 via the Exeter Episcopal Court, Somerset Assizes, before landing before the Lords and Commons as a Bill presented by the Earl of Shaftesbury, which finally passed the Commons on 12 May 1819.
If you are interested type in "Prockter Thomas divorce" and then you get Journals of the House of Lords in Google Books which you can follow through (luckily Prockter is v unusual spelling: he was a landowner in the Tiverton/Wellington area and a man of the church: whilst he took afternoon services they got to know each other, as you can read in the evidence.
Arabella and Robert married on (?) 24th May 1819 in Chatham, probably en route for Jersey/Guernsey, where their son Robert Bayley Tyser was born either that year or the following one. I am still piecing it together.
What happened to the children of Arabella and Prockter Thomas?
And what happened to the five children of Robert and Maria Walter? In his brother Thomas Tyser's journal he mentions that Robert visited his children in 1820. Robert had property in Stapeley and Alsager which he also visited at that time.
My gt gt gt grandmother, the youngest, Maria Sarah Tyser, sewed a sampler in 1819 giving the address of Harcourt House, Pembury, Kent. In Robert's biography the address 2 Paradise Row in Stoke Newington also crops up early and late - was that the home of the Walter family? Did they look after the young children when Robert left for exile in France? He died at Paradise Row in 1840, after Arabella had died in 1838 in Dijon, France.

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England / Re: Robert TYSER born 1779
« on: Sunday 01 February 15 17:27 GMT (UK)  »
I made a bit of a breakthrough this week:  I discovered that Robert's third wife Arabella Bayley was a married woman (to William Prockter Thomas in 1811). This marriage was dissolved in 1819 via the Exeter Episcopal Court, Somerset Assizes, before landing before the Lords and Commons as a Bill presented by the Earl of Shaftesbury, which finally passed the Commons on 12 May 1819.
If you are interested type in "Prockter Thomas divorce" and then you get Journals of the House of Lords in Google Books which you can follow through (luckily Prockter is v unusual spelling: he was a landowner in the Tiverton/Wellington area and a man of the church: whilst he took afternoon services they got to know each other, as you can read in the evidence.
Arabella and Robert married on (?) 24th May 1819 in Chatham, probably en route for Jersey/Guernsey, where their son Robert Bayley Tyser was born either that year or the following one. I am still piecing it together.
What happened to the children of Arabella and Prockter Thomas?
And what happened to the five children of Robert and Maria Walter? In Thomas Tyser's journal he mentions that Robert visited his children in 1820.
My gt gt gt grandmother, the youngest, Maria Sarah Tyser, sewed a sampler in 1819 giving the address of Harcourt House, Pembury, Kent. In Robert's biography the address 2 Paradise Row in Stoke Newington also crops up early and late - was that the home of the Walter family? Did they look after the young children when Robert left for exile in France? He died at Paradise Row in 1840, after Arabella had died in 1838 in Dijon, France.
Antonia's journals would be useful here !

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England / Re: Robert Tyser
« on: Monday 27 July 09 17:03 BST (UK)  »
not 100 per cent sure. The extract from Burke's Colonial Gentry is attached.

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