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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Sunday 24 July 11 14:25 BST (UK) »
Aha!!
Thanks for this link! Helps a good deal!
Lynn
Thanks for this link! Helps a good deal!
Lynn
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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Sunday 12 June 11 13:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Tom
Re the Scotcher reference to scotching.. I have heard this before but the Scotcher name pre dates 1665! Of course, it may not be the 1665 plague the story relates to?
Chris,
Thank you very much for this information - very interesting indeed.
We have now established that my Scotchers are related to Amanda's and Sasflo's and therefore also yours. The father of both Nicholas Scotcher (1813) and George Owen Scotcher (1812) was George Scotcher (1762).
George Scotcher was the son of Nicholas Scotcher (1733) who was married to a Susanna Stuart (1733) which is presumably where the Stuart connection starts to come in. It appears Susanna was the daughter of Captain Thomas Stuart (1668-1750)
So, we have found Stuarts! Whether this is anything to do with the Scottish Royal family is not clear - though as the Stuarts/Stewarts were quite prolific, its not beyond the bounds of possibility.
However, this "myth" is proving to be quiet resilient
You can view my tree with all the Scotchers on Ancestry - my tree is Parry1. please send me a message if you want more information.
Lynn
Re the Scotcher reference to scotching.. I have heard this before but the Scotcher name pre dates 1665! Of course, it may not be the 1665 plague the story relates to?
Chris,
Thank you very much for this information - very interesting indeed.
We have now established that my Scotchers are related to Amanda's and Sasflo's and therefore also yours. The father of both Nicholas Scotcher (1813) and George Owen Scotcher (1812) was George Scotcher (1762).
George Scotcher was the son of Nicholas Scotcher (1733) who was married to a Susanna Stuart (1733) which is presumably where the Stuart connection starts to come in. It appears Susanna was the daughter of Captain Thomas Stuart (1668-1750)
So, we have found Stuarts! Whether this is anything to do with the Scottish Royal family is not clear - though as the Stuarts/Stewarts were quite prolific, its not beyond the bounds of possibility.
However, this "myth" is proving to be quiet resilient
You can view my tree with all the Scotchers on Ancestry - my tree is Parry1. please send me a message if you want more information.
Lynn
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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Sunday 21 September 08 11:10 BST (UK) »
Hi All...
This thread still seems to be causing some interest so I'll explain how I have got on. It may take a while!
Firstly, I initially posted on the Scottish boards because when I start pursuing this myth, it was in the knowledge that my family were absolutely convinced they had Scottish roots re the Stuart family. It was so strong I was of the firm belief my Great grandmother was Scottish. Imagine my surprise when my investigations of Scotchers ended up in Oswestry!
In fact Scotcher is NOT a Scottish name. It originated as far as I can tell in East Anglia (if you look at the world name profiler, thats where most of them are. The name refers to stilts and many of the people of the fens used stilts to cross boggy ground.
Many here advocated forgetting the myth and go back to the IGI which, of course, we have done. The various people who have this myth in their family and have posted here are probably related - we just don;t have online records available to definitely link us.
My line goes back to George Owen Scotcher 1812 born in Leominster. Others went back to Nicholas Stuart Scotcher 1813 born in Welshpool - and he had a son called George Owen. So were they brothers?
Well, this week on IGI I found Nicholas' parents - George and Mary Scotcher. George was recorded as a comedian! But this is as far as I can get as the Heredfordshire parish records are not online.
Now - to the myth that that the Stuart Scotchers are related to Henry Stuart Darnley. The "Le Cher Scot" converting to Scotcher makes no sense at all as pointed out by various members of this board.
What I did then was think a little laterally. The Stuart family historically WERE in France. So with only a little digging I found that the younger branch of the Stuart Darnley family were in France, owning lands given to them by Scottish Kings. Their castle was in Aubigney sur Nere in the CHER region of France. Is it possible that one of our ancestors had a surname of Scot (there WERE Stuart Scotts) and came from Cher? Maybe if he came over to the eastern part of England, where Scotchers are most prevalent, it tickled his fancy to adopt this name that also had resonance for him?
At any rate it is worth looking at we feel. The "myth" is incredibly strong and has been passed down three families completely unconnected for 200 years. Its remarkably consistent, considering this time frame - as in word for word in each one.
So what I am really looking for now are any clues to the Stuart family in France over quite a long time frame. I rather think that the name Darnley in the myth tended to make people think of the Jacobite rebellion but the myth only actually says "when he returned from France" and it may be people with a poor grasp of history rather telescoped things.
On a completely prosaic level, and to satisfy those who think I merely trailing after will o the wisps, I have found a marriage in the IGI between a Nicholas Scotcher and Susanna Stuart in Surrey in 1753 and they had a son George 1762. Whether they are connected to ours or not, can't say - and if they are, why they would concoct a story about Stuart forebears that have lasted over 200 years I know not either!
Lynn
This thread still seems to be causing some interest so I'll explain how I have got on. It may take a while!
Firstly, I initially posted on the Scottish boards because when I start pursuing this myth, it was in the knowledge that my family were absolutely convinced they had Scottish roots re the Stuart family. It was so strong I was of the firm belief my Great grandmother was Scottish. Imagine my surprise when my investigations of Scotchers ended up in Oswestry!
In fact Scotcher is NOT a Scottish name. It originated as far as I can tell in East Anglia (if you look at the world name profiler, thats where most of them are. The name refers to stilts and many of the people of the fens used stilts to cross boggy ground.
Many here advocated forgetting the myth and go back to the IGI which, of course, we have done. The various people who have this myth in their family and have posted here are probably related - we just don;t have online records available to definitely link us.
My line goes back to George Owen Scotcher 1812 born in Leominster. Others went back to Nicholas Stuart Scotcher 1813 born in Welshpool - and he had a son called George Owen. So were they brothers?
Well, this week on IGI I found Nicholas' parents - George and Mary Scotcher. George was recorded as a comedian! But this is as far as I can get as the Heredfordshire parish records are not online.
Now - to the myth that that the Stuart Scotchers are related to Henry Stuart Darnley. The "Le Cher Scot" converting to Scotcher makes no sense at all as pointed out by various members of this board.
What I did then was think a little laterally. The Stuart family historically WERE in France. So with only a little digging I found that the younger branch of the Stuart Darnley family were in France, owning lands given to them by Scottish Kings. Their castle was in Aubigney sur Nere in the CHER region of France. Is it possible that one of our ancestors had a surname of Scot (there WERE Stuart Scotts) and came from Cher? Maybe if he came over to the eastern part of England, where Scotchers are most prevalent, it tickled his fancy to adopt this name that also had resonance for him?
At any rate it is worth looking at we feel. The "myth" is incredibly strong and has been passed down three families completely unconnected for 200 years. Its remarkably consistent, considering this time frame - as in word for word in each one.
So what I am really looking for now are any clues to the Stuart family in France over quite a long time frame. I rather think that the name Darnley in the myth tended to make people think of the Jacobite rebellion but the myth only actually says "when he returned from France" and it may be people with a poor grasp of history rather telescoped things.
On a completely prosaic level, and to satisfy those who think I merely trailing after will o the wisps, I have found a marriage in the IGI between a Nicholas Scotcher and Susanna Stuart in Surrey in 1753 and they had a son George 1762. Whether they are connected to ours or not, can't say - and if they are, why they would concoct a story about Stuart forebears that have lasted over 200 years I know not either!
Lynn
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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Heredforshire/Leominster Parish record
« on: Wednesday 17 September 08 21:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you - yes I already do have that.
I have the birth of a Nicholas Steward Scotcher 1813, who might be his brother or cousin, born in Welshpool. Father is George Scotcher, comedian. I just can't find MY George Owen!
Thank you for trying !
Lynn
I have the birth of a Nicholas Steward Scotcher 1813, who might be his brother or cousin, born in Welshpool. Father is George Scotcher, comedian. I just can't find MY George Owen!
Thank you for trying !
Lynn
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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Heredforshire/Leominster Parish record
« on: Wednesday 17 September 08 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am looking for the the birth of George Owen Scotcher 1812 Leominster. I have his census details etc - I need to find his birth to try and identify his parents. I have tried as many parish records online as I can find.
Can anyone point me in the direction of an online source or could anyone look this up for me if you have a CD??
Thanking you very much in anticipation!!
Jacamar
I am looking for the the birth of George Owen Scotcher 1812 Leominster. I have his census details etc - I need to find his birth to try and identify his parents. I have tried as many parish records online as I can find.
Can anyone point me in the direction of an online source or could anyone look this up for me if you have a CD??
Thanking you very much in anticipation!!
Jacamar
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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 16 September 08 22:08 BST (UK) »
Just an update for you guys:
Nicholas Stuart Scotcher 1813. I found his baptism record (7th November 1813) and his father was called George and was a listed as a comedian! His mother was called Mary.
Interestingly his name was actually recorded as Nicholas Steward Scotcher
Lynn
Nicholas Stuart Scotcher 1813. I found his baptism record (7th November 1813) and his father was called George and was a listed as a comedian! His mother was called Mary.
Interestingly his name was actually recorded as Nicholas Steward Scotcher
Lynn
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Cheshire / Re: Batty family
« on: Wednesday 02 April 08 09:33 BST (UK) »
Ooops sorry! I feel a bit stupid now. I know of the McNicholas etc clan because that is the family I am researching. 
Let me explain properly.
I am trying to obtain information on Sarah Ann and her mother Bridget and also anything about the McNicholas family. I have traced Bridget's family back (the Kilcoynes) to Ireland but nothing about Michael. What I am trying to do is contact someone who has the Batty family in their tree. Sarah married James Batty in Hyde in 1894 and I just found last night that Michael McNicholas died in Ashton under Lyne in 1901.
I was basically wondering if the Batty family had more info.
So sorry again for the confusion and thanks for teh prompt reply silvery
Jacamar
Let me explain properly.I am trying to obtain information on Sarah Ann and her mother Bridget and also anything about the McNicholas family. I have traced Bridget's family back (the Kilcoynes) to Ireland but nothing about Michael. What I am trying to do is contact someone who has the Batty family in their tree. Sarah married James Batty in Hyde in 1894 and I just found last night that Michael McNicholas died in Ashton under Lyne in 1901.
I was basically wondering if the Batty family had more info.
So sorry again for the confusion and thanks for teh prompt reply silvery
Jacamar
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Cheshire / Batty family
« on: Sunday 30 March 08 21:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
Does anyone have a James Batty 1870 Hyde Cheshire in their family? I am interested in his wife, born Sarah Ann McNicholas 1873 in Pennsylvania. She was born when her mother visited there... the family were originally based in Bilston.
Any info greatly appreciated
Jacamar
Does anyone have a James Batty 1870 Hyde Cheshire in their family? I am interested in his wife, born Sarah Ann McNicholas 1873 in Pennsylvania. She was born when her mother visited there... the family were originally based in Bilston.
Any info greatly appreciated
Jacamar
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Scotland / Re: Help with a Scotcher "myth"
« on: Tuesday 23 October 07 21:11 BST (UK) »
Amanda...
Up until right now I have been busy with new job and will be again until next week. Otherwise I would have talked to you more!
I think we need to exchange information because I am damn sure your line and my line are connected. In fact I have sent emails to you over the last few years that you never picked up!
The myth IS fun hehe..... and I am connected to other people who also have the same myth in their family. This is what makes it interesting. If it wasn't for the myth I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
I have been back to Stoke and traced my Scotchers to the pub they ran in Norfolk Street. My Dad didn't even know his grandmother was a Scotcher - he knew her as "Ma Parry".. but he did remember going into that pub as a 5 year old and collecting glasses very importantly. This is what makes ancestry so compelling! He had completely blanked that until we started on this project!
http://www.parryfamilytree.co.uk/2.html
I have somewhere pictures of Fred and his shops in Holywell - the family ran a tobacconists. What is very interesting is that the census recorders had no idea what these outlandish names were (Rossini etc) and misrecorded most of them. In fact some of the guys changed their names to make them more easy to understand.
The other interesting thing is.... we have other "myths" in our family. One was that we were connected to the Tams potters. It was regarded as rubbish by ALL our relatives. I have now successfully traced the connection back to John Tams first marriage. The "myth" happened to be totally true.
So perhaps there are grains of truth in any myth. To me... keeping an open mind is the best bet.
I hope to chat with you further re the Scotchers!!
Lynn
Up until right now I have been busy with new job and will be again until next week. Otherwise I would have talked to you more!
I think we need to exchange information because I am damn sure your line and my line are connected. In fact I have sent emails to you over the last few years that you never picked up!
The myth IS fun hehe..... and I am connected to other people who also have the same myth in their family. This is what makes it interesting. If it wasn't for the myth I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
I have been back to Stoke and traced my Scotchers to the pub they ran in Norfolk Street. My Dad didn't even know his grandmother was a Scotcher - he knew her as "Ma Parry".. but he did remember going into that pub as a 5 year old and collecting glasses very importantly. This is what makes ancestry so compelling! He had completely blanked that until we started on this project!
http://www.parryfamilytree.co.uk/2.html
I have somewhere pictures of Fred and his shops in Holywell - the family ran a tobacconists. What is very interesting is that the census recorders had no idea what these outlandish names were (Rossini etc) and misrecorded most of them. In fact some of the guys changed their names to make them more easy to understand.
The other interesting thing is.... we have other "myths" in our family. One was that we were connected to the Tams potters. It was regarded as rubbish by ALL our relatives. I have now successfully traced the connection back to John Tams first marriage. The "myth" happened to be totally true.
So perhaps there are grains of truth in any myth. To me... keeping an open mind is the best bet.
I hope to chat with you further re the Scotchers!!
Lynn