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Denbighshire / Re: WW2 evacuees to RUTHIN
« on: Thursday 27 November 25 13:26 GMT (UK)  »
Do you happen to know who the relatives are that were in Ruthin? I know Rhos St primary school and Ruthin Grammar School were both effectively on the same road.

The ancestor I'm researching (John Thomas Jones) and his wife ran the Anchor Inn which was at 1 Rhos St, and they had come from Birmingham to run the pub. So I do wonder whether they were involved with the evacuees at all, they didn't have children of their own.

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Denbighshire / Re: Anchor Inn, Ruthin, victualler in 1940s John Thomas Jones
« on: Thursday 27 November 25 13:22 GMT (UK)  »
Managed to locate this Victualler license, he was transferred the license of the Old Anchor Inn from 17th Nov 1941 to 15th Jan 1951.

I still have questions about why he involved in the war effort, seeing as he was a skilled electrician but no military file.

Unless he was, and it's all secret.

Great to be able to finally find his official License in the archive's License Register, with the elctoral registers confirming from 1945, too.

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Occupation Interests / Re: How to research Licensed Victualler records for 1900s Wales
« on: Thursday 27 November 25 13:18 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: martin hooper on Tuesday 25 November 25 11:17 GMT (UK)
Your best bet is to search the local newspapers for information.

Thanks for this! I tried the newspapers online but perhaps it just doesn't read them well in the search. I finally managed to get to the archives for the local area and they helped me find his license in their License Register. So fantastic to finally tick that task off 😂

The License Register is a huge book for such little detail recorded.

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Occupation Interests / How to research Licensed Victualler records for 1900s Wales
« on: Monday 24 November 25 20:03 GMT (UK)  »
Greetings and confused

Hey! I'm trying to understand how to research where licensed victuallers receive their licences if they run pubs in Wales.

I have a relative I'm researching who is named on his aunt's will as being a Licensed Victualler, both when she wrote it in 1940, and when she amended it and later died in 1945.
John Thomas Jones, the LV I'm researching, was from Birmingham and left Birmingham to move to Ye Olde Anchor Inn, Rhos St, Ruthin, Denbighshire some time shortly after the 1939 register was taken, as he is recorded as living with his aunt in Birmingham on the 1939 register. His father's family were all Welsh so the move could have been some form of reconnection with his recently deceased father's history.

This is the linked search I created a while back...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=853877.0
...but here I'm hoping to understand what records I should be looking for, and where they would be recorded more generally as an occupation.

  • Would I be looking for his Licence to be given in Birmingham, or should I be looking for a licence that's given in a Welsh court?
  • When he left the pub and moved back to Birmingham some time in the 1950s, should I be looking for a license where his licensee name is transferred?

I've figured out that the Anchor Inn was part of the Thomas Salt & Co Ltd pubs but I don't see dates where this was covering.
https://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php/List_of_Thomas_Salt_%26_Co_Ltd_pubs

  • Would a Licensed Victualler need to apply to Thomas Salt & Co Ltd pubs for the position of innkeeper?

Thanks so much for this help! It's been confusing me for many years  :-[

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Denbighshire / Re: Anchor Inn, Ruthin, victualler in 1940s John Thomas Jones
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 19:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Tuesday 05 October 21 19:43 BST (UK)
When was the actual will signed?  Was he a beneficiary & was any address given for him at that time?

What date was Probate granted?

Trying to narrow a date down

Ok, the will was signed 20th April 1940 (with this address info in Ruthin).
A codicil added 2nd Sept 1944 adding another niece to the beneficiaries.
His Aunty died 2nd Feb 1945, and probate granted 13 July 1945.

If his address hasn’t changed as executor of the will then he’d still be in Ruthin at Anchor Inn?

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Denbighshire / Re: Anchor Inn, Ruthin, victualler in 1940s John Thomas Jones
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 19:23 BST (UK)  »
Double checked the will, I’ve attached a snapshot of where it says his address and I presume his occupation. It does suggests he’s the Licensed Victualler, but could it be a c/o?

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Denbighshire / Re: Anchor Inn, Ruthin, victualler in 1940s John Thomas Jones
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 19:15 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Hillhurst on Tuesday 05 October 21 18:25 BST (UK)
The Anchor Inn (Rhos Street) is in the 1939 Register. Two redacted lines beneath an entry for a woman (DoB 1916) listed as Domestic Help. Not sure if the redacted lines belong to the Anchor Inn.

Aug 1940 newspaper mention for "Miles Timson Lewis. Anchor Inn, Ruthin. who was fined £1 for not having the sidelamps of a car partially obscured".

Yvie - this link should assist with licensed victualler research: http://www.pubhistorysociety.co.uk/PDF-Dowloads/ancestors.pdf

Thank you for this. Think I need to confirm who the Licensed Victualler was between 1940-1945 at least. Is there a specific directory I need to go to on this pdf (bit confusing which direction to go in)?

The Brewery History site says the pub was run by Salt & co brewers.

Golden nugget will be where to find the directory!?  :D

Can’t find any positive results looking for quarter sessions or recognisances so far, but perhaps the newspapers aren’t all available.

He seems to vanish!

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Denbighshire / Re: Anchor Inn, Ruthin, victualler in 1940s John Thomas Jones
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 17:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Tuesday 05 October 21 17:48 BST (UK)
Looking at his 1939 occupation - that’s quite a switch in employment

It is! I’ve been searching for an engineer all this time. He may well have changed again so finding his next move might be tough.

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Warwickshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1861/71 Census Lookup Please - Assinder
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 17:02 BST (UK)  »
Hey, I’m searching for John Peters Assinder’s grandson, John Thomas Jones, if you happen to come across information about what happened to him.
I’ve added this family (my father-in-law’s ancestors) to my tree on ancestry site, it’s called DNA Research 2 Wales, happy to share more info if you need it.

Yvie

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