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Kildare / Re: Keys or Kays Surname?
« on: Wednesday 24 August 16 09:14 BST (UK)  »
...meant to add too that Jim died in 1968 aged 66. All the brothers who worked with stone died relatively young, certainly by today's standards, of various pulmonary type diseases.

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Kildare / Re: Keys or Kays Surname?
« on: Wednesday 24 August 16 09:12 BST (UK)  »

Thank you, I've never seen those pictures.
Re Jim Brophy, he married Mary McManus in 1923. She is originally from Dublin - and clearly from around the same area as the Brophys as she was born in the Rotunda Hospital. Her mother interestingly was born in India so whether her father in turn was working there I'm not sure. Mary was very devout I recall, and again I recall as a child she was an extremely kind person.
I've tried posting the pics - the pic I mentioned of Laurence, standing on the step of Stananought Street and a group picture shows Laurence in the front row - the one with very dark hair and the long work apron. Jim is in the very top row of - the one of two people; he is on the right. You may recognise other Brophys in the pic? However even just putting one photo only on the posting it won't let me do so saying it's 'too large'.

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Kildare / Re: Keys or Kays Surname?
« on: Tuesday 23 August 16 18:04 BST (UK)  »
Just thinking I may post that previous posting on the Brophy thread also...

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Kildare / Re: Keys or Kays Surname?
« on: Tuesday 23 August 16 18:02 BST (UK)  »

Well what a wealth of info - the stuff that is new to me is fascinating; I've wondered for so long about the pre-Dublin lives of the Brophy's... Also Laurence being married twice - Catherine McDermott is on the marriage certificate for Laurence II who married Anne Brady as his mother but I hadn't realised there was a second wife. Yes, the plethora of Laurences is confusing - I have to stop sometimes and make sure I'm thinking about the right one. I too noticed the 'uncle' thing in the Census - how weird.
The pro Cathedral must have been a stunning place for a wedding - and handy as the Bradys were living on the same street. It looks like for the more 'modern' period we've been treading the same ground.
Yes, I'm descended through Patrick. I see someone on the site hadn't realised the Liverpool thread of the Brophys which of course is very strong. I remember James (Jim) who was married to Mary, nee McManus. They lived in Violet Street which crossed with Stananought Street. You asked about the photo I have of Laurence Brophy - it was taken on the steps of the house in Stananought Street. I also have a photo of Annie Brophy nee Brady with several of her grown up sons. Laurence who was married to Annie was my father's grandfather and has the same jet black hair that my father had. I also have a photo of the stone masons working on the cathedral - not sure if you have that or would like to see it? Laurence is on it as well as at least one of his sons as I recognise James/Jim but there may be others. My father remembers having to take his father Patrick's lunch to him at the cathedral before he went to school so certainly Patrick (Paddy) worked there too.

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Kildare / Re: Keys or Kays Surname?
« on: Tuesday 23 August 16 14:23 BST (UK)  »
...I should have made it clear in my previous posting that until the 1921 Census data are released I'm not sure when the Brophys left for Liverpool - the only thing that's certain is that it's after 1911 if they're in Dublin at that time. It may be they were still in Dublin in 1921. My grandfather - son of Lawrence Brophy and Annie Brady, and grandson of Maria Brady - nee Keys - married my grandmother in Liverpool in 1928 so they had certainly arrived by then.

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Kildare / Re: Keys or Kays Surname?
« on: Tuesday 23 August 16 14:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I've only just discovered this site and did so by getting to the point in my search where I too was following up the Keys and Kildare connection. Mary Brady nee Keys is my great-great grandmother. Her daughter Anne married my great grandfather Lawrence Brophy. I have several photos of them. They moved to Liverpool post 1911 Census with Lawrence and their several sons all working on the Anglican Cathedral as stone-masons. Before they left Dublin however they lived at Lower Bridge Street - on the 1911 Census. Re the Keys, as you will have seen Elizabeth Keys is a 72 year old widow on the 1901 Census living with the Bradys. The absence of Censuses between 1851 and 1901 is so frustrating. I had got as far as doing a search on these earlier Censuses in Kildare for any Keys but none came up for some reason. The responses by other users of this site sound very promising though... will keep you informed if I elicit anything interesting.

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