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Cork / Re: more DONOVANs from Clonakilty
« on: Monday 11 July 16 13:28 BST (UK) »
Ann
(a) Are you aware of the https://thedonovans.wordpress.com/ website? It contains files from Fr Brown. It is from attachments on this website that I determined that Mary Donovan came from Inchydoney.
(b) Were you aware that there was a Donovan reunion held in Colac Victoria in 1974?
(c) I have a copy of "A genealogy of the descendants of Timothy Donovan and Margaret O'Dowd, Australian pioneers" by Francis X Brown O.P. dated 1974. It runs for about 10 pages. According to this document Timothy and Margaret had seven children: Mary, John, Rose, Margaret, Helen Elizabeth, Catherine and Anne. Which of these seven would be your grandparent?
(d) I also have a copy of the family tree of Daniel Donovan and Margaret McQuire as at 1974. it contains 252 names. Fr Brown is a descendant of Daniel and Margaret.
(e) Not surprisingly I also have a copy of the family tree of Arthur O'Leary and Mary Donovan as at 1974.
(f) From what I can discern Mary Donovan of "Island" was baptised in Clonakilty Catholic Parish on the 3rdApril 1844. Her parents were John Donovan and Mary Cahalane. The sponsors were John Donovan and Kath Driscoll. These details would be consistent with Mary coming to Australia in 1858 aged 16. The spelling of her mother's name is different from what is on her marriage certificate, but this is understandable.
(g) My understanding is that "Island" is an administrative parish in the County of Cork and the island of Inchydoney is part of the parish of "Island'.
(h) There was a Tim Donovan also of Island whose parents were Jno Donovan and Mary Cahalan baptised on the 31 October 1846. His sponsors were Jno (John?) Cahalan and Ellen Deasy. I am presuming that these are the same parents as Mary's parents.
(i) I agree with you that only Daniel Donovan and Mary Donovan came out on the “Tasmania” in December 1858 and that there was a Timothy who came out as an assisted migrant on the "Broughton Hall" in April 1857. If this is correct, it is unlikely that this is the same Tim Donovan who was baptised in 1846. Also on the "Tasmania" was a lawrence Donovan. Not sure where he fits in.
(k) According to Fr Brown eleven Donovan children were born to John Donovan and Bridget Kuhane. [I think the Bridget should be Mary, but never discount anything.] Some Donovans went to America, some to Australia, and some (mostly spelling it O'Donovan), carry the name in Clonakilty to this day. Four came to Australia: Timothy, Daniel and Mary who arrived together in Melbourne at the end of 1858 and Michael who arrived later.
(l) So if John and Mary Donovan had eleven children, who were the others and when and where were they born?
(m) My limited research to date is leading me in the direction as you. A Tim Donovan of Guarranangoeen was baptised on 2 October 1830 in the Catholic parish of Rossalettiri and Kilkeraunmor. His parents were John Donovan and Mary Keohane. Are these the same parents as Mary's parents?
(n) Others who were baptised from Guarranangoeen (or different spellings of the same name) and who seem to have the same parents are:
Patrick 7 December 1822
John 11 February 1824
Ellen 30 August 1825
James 15 May 1828
Daniel 28 December 1933
Denis 31 December 1836
Honora 27 October 1839
Michael 26 August 1844
Patrick 9 June 1848
Kate 24 September 1849
Given that Mary was baptised in April 1844 and that Michael was baptised on 26 August 1844, my guess is that we are looking at two different families. It is starting to get confusing.
(o) the Tim that was baptised in October 1830 would have been aged around 26-27 in 1857. This is consistent with the the age of the Tim Donovan that arrived on the "Broughton Hall" in 1857.
(p) From my understanding "Virgin Mary's Bank" is a prominent landmark on the island of Inchydoney. The Inchydoney Island Lodge hotel is located nearby.
Hope this helps. It answers some questions, but raises many more and as I stated earlier i have just started trying to make sense of the Irish records. There may be other information that I have missed.
Regards
John
(a) Are you aware of the https://thedonovans.wordpress.com/ website? It contains files from Fr Brown. It is from attachments on this website that I determined that Mary Donovan came from Inchydoney.
(b) Were you aware that there was a Donovan reunion held in Colac Victoria in 1974?
(c) I have a copy of "A genealogy of the descendants of Timothy Donovan and Margaret O'Dowd, Australian pioneers" by Francis X Brown O.P. dated 1974. It runs for about 10 pages. According to this document Timothy and Margaret had seven children: Mary, John, Rose, Margaret, Helen Elizabeth, Catherine and Anne. Which of these seven would be your grandparent?
(d) I also have a copy of the family tree of Daniel Donovan and Margaret McQuire as at 1974. it contains 252 names. Fr Brown is a descendant of Daniel and Margaret.
(e) Not surprisingly I also have a copy of the family tree of Arthur O'Leary and Mary Donovan as at 1974.
(f) From what I can discern Mary Donovan of "Island" was baptised in Clonakilty Catholic Parish on the 3rdApril 1844. Her parents were John Donovan and Mary Cahalane. The sponsors were John Donovan and Kath Driscoll. These details would be consistent with Mary coming to Australia in 1858 aged 16. The spelling of her mother's name is different from what is on her marriage certificate, but this is understandable.
(g) My understanding is that "Island" is an administrative parish in the County of Cork and the island of Inchydoney is part of the parish of "Island'.
(h) There was a Tim Donovan also of Island whose parents were Jno Donovan and Mary Cahalan baptised on the 31 October 1846. His sponsors were Jno (John?) Cahalan and Ellen Deasy. I am presuming that these are the same parents as Mary's parents.
(i) I agree with you that only Daniel Donovan and Mary Donovan came out on the “Tasmania” in December 1858 and that there was a Timothy who came out as an assisted migrant on the "Broughton Hall" in April 1857. If this is correct, it is unlikely that this is the same Tim Donovan who was baptised in 1846. Also on the "Tasmania" was a lawrence Donovan. Not sure where he fits in.
(k) According to Fr Brown eleven Donovan children were born to John Donovan and Bridget Kuhane. [I think the Bridget should be Mary, but never discount anything.] Some Donovans went to America, some to Australia, and some (mostly spelling it O'Donovan), carry the name in Clonakilty to this day. Four came to Australia: Timothy, Daniel and Mary who arrived together in Melbourne at the end of 1858 and Michael who arrived later.
(l) So if John and Mary Donovan had eleven children, who were the others and when and where were they born?
(m) My limited research to date is leading me in the direction as you. A Tim Donovan of Guarranangoeen was baptised on 2 October 1830 in the Catholic parish of Rossalettiri and Kilkeraunmor. His parents were John Donovan and Mary Keohane. Are these the same parents as Mary's parents?
(n) Others who were baptised from Guarranangoeen (or different spellings of the same name) and who seem to have the same parents are:
Patrick 7 December 1822
John 11 February 1824
Ellen 30 August 1825
James 15 May 1828
Daniel 28 December 1933
Denis 31 December 1836
Honora 27 October 1839
Michael 26 August 1844
Patrick 9 June 1848
Kate 24 September 1849
Given that Mary was baptised in April 1844 and that Michael was baptised on 26 August 1844, my guess is that we are looking at two different families. It is starting to get confusing.
(o) the Tim that was baptised in October 1830 would have been aged around 26-27 in 1857. This is consistent with the the age of the Tim Donovan that arrived on the "Broughton Hall" in 1857.
(p) From my understanding "Virgin Mary's Bank" is a prominent landmark on the island of Inchydoney. The Inchydoney Island Lodge hotel is located nearby.
Hope this helps. It answers some questions, but raises many more and as I stated earlier i have just started trying to make sense of the Irish records. There may be other information that I have missed.
Regards
John