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Lanarkshire / Re: Hamiltons of Bogside, Stonehouse
« on: Wednesday 22 February 23 13:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi.
In running a search on a John Hamilton/Jean Stewart (parents of Mary b.1803, Stonehouse) I have just picked up a transcription on FindMyPast referring to 'Boygoyde'. It struck me that this could be Bogside (?), so I am intrigued by this blog.
Mary Hamilton m. John Stewart 02 Dec 1820. Their dau. Elizabeth m. a William Mcqueen (of Eaglesham) 13 Jan 1849.

I would be interested to hear from anyone researching this line.

Dawn

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The Common Room / Re: Medical Jurisprudence medal - 1884
« on: Monday 05 June 17 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Linda,
I don't know if you will pick this up - but Archibald MacQueen was related to my husband.  I do not know a lot about him and was delighted to find this thread. He came from Avondale, in Lanarkshire and was the eldest of six. Archibald became Environmental Officer, in charge of Public Health matters in Market Drayton, Shropshire. He and his wife (Emma) had no children and most of their went to good causes. Two of his younger brothers became vets - Andrew (b.1860) in Glasgow and James (b.1853) in London. Their brother John (b. 1851), settled in Birmingham - as you know, having left Scotland as a travelling draper (see 1881 census in the responses) and he would later become a master tailor in Birmingham. He was my husband's grandfather. Thier sister, Mary, also moved to Birmingham when her mother died and she lived with John. The fifth brother, William, was a tree specialist who settled in Winchcombe, Gloucestershire.

Do you still have the medal? Would it be possible to have some photos of it?

Dawn (Macqueen)

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I have had another look at the picture from Hipkiss (1896), which positions the established business of 1770 in Dartmouth Street. I am not sure Dartmouth Street existed then (see Hanson's map of 1778), and the earliest reference I found for Wrights in Dartmouth Street is an 1822 lease. So Hipkiss (MD of the Wrights firm in 1896) and the Company records may not have been correct on the location timing. Certainly the business pops up in Dartmouth Street in the 1841 census (by which time that area was definitely developed) but looking at the picture, the chimney stacks and the tall hats imply a 19th century scene. So, I am not at all sure where the works actually was in 1770. I am not sure that the Birmingham Archives will have an answer to this one, but I have asked a map expert for some advice - and if anyone else can come up with some evidence that would be marvellous!

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Thank you this. I was aware of most of that, but not the (very important) marriage details -- and they indicate that William was a widower, so that is very interesting and a new path to follow!!
MS 58/1/20 record at Bham archives discusses a re-assigned mortgage redemtion and makes reference to John and Edwin Wright, Ann Wright (widow) and Wm Alston of Elmdon Hall. Properties on DArtmouth St, Lister St, Heneage St, ad Brewery St. This was at the time of building the Millwall investment I think.

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There is a Wright Ropes logo on gracesguide website which says est.1770 - however if you look at the etching of the works in 1770 it is big and i am sure that a business would have had to be going already for some time to achieve that status.
The firm did not move to Garrison Lane (later Rover Works site) until the mid 1800s and they also set up at Mellish Street, Millwall around that time.
It is interesting that Wrights Ropes is NOT listed in Wrightson's 1818 Directory, but a WIlliam Wright has a Rope line and twine makers business in Suffolk Street.
There is a 1704 Will online for John Wright, ropemaker of Woolwich and i did wonder if this was the founder - whose family may have moved or expanded to Birmingham early on. However, I checked the will and it offered no clues (PROB 11/476/68).

You are right in saying that the Doncaster Archives do not give the answer as their records do not start until 1796, which is clearly much later.

Can I ask why you are interested in the founder?? My own interest is that I am doing a Phd on the carriage of cargoes between Birmingham and its ports 1660 - 1777(before the canals were built). Rope is an important part of that history and it is intriguing that an area which has no river navigation and is  at the centre of the country - about 100 miles from any major port (Lynn, London, Bristol, Liverpool) would actually develop one of the most important rope businesses in the world!



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Hi Brian, I am also interested in this family. I think that Edwin Payton Wright's father was William, and that his father was also William - although I am having a struggle to confirm any details. The works was in Dartmouth Street by 1770 and moved to Garrison Lane later. I believe that there is an etching of the works at the Birmingham Art Gallery, though I have not seen it there. It is available on the revolutionaryplayers website, and also in Hipkins (1896) book on The Wire Rope and its Applications - you can find that online at archive.org with some wonderful illustrations.
sincerely
Dawn

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