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Thanks Barbara

"still alive in 1841?"  Good question.
I  haven't seen the marriage documentation so don't know. I think there are very few John Bulls about Hull, and to have a christening and marriage at a suitable interval is rather compelling but not definitive.
There are no John Bull deaths at YorkshireBMD between 1837 and 1842 and none in the IGI FamilySearch. FreeBMD list one in 1842 Todmorden West Riding - after the census

"It might help to know his occupation from the marriage cert."
This may be my best choice as it would confirm parents.

"Jun 1850  Sculcoates    22   476
Bull    John         Vickers  Harriet "
Oops i said 1851, my error thanks      

Emigrated?
Thats a possibility, worth checking.. Perhaps after the marriage in 1850 but that doesn't locate him 1841

later census ? -
FreeCen 1861 have a John Bull 36 wife Harriot 37 and children all born in Staffordshire - Wolverhampton - not the ones
No luck on FreeCen 1841, 1851, 1871.  I don't think their records are complete.  Searching from Australia complicates matters hence my use of rootschat - and what a help its been in the past!

"John Bull, male servant aged 17, not born in county in the household of John Payne Innkeeper, Market Place, Leicester"
-Interesting, correct age, though a long way from home. Still his father was a coachman even back in 1822 in Hull (Pigots), perhaps there were links that far away...

"One aged 18 Baker Journeyman in Streatham"
-I have no links to London. These seem to have been Northerly Bulls, with possible earlier links to Scotland - if anything - as his brother Henry Bull lived in Greenock for  the 1851 census and had several children in Scotland between 1847 and 1852. Back in Hull for 1861 census.

Can I please ask where you found the above references you made? 
I guess Im thinking he must be somewhere.  I will have to get more information about the family ...

Geoff

Thank you all for so much info, sorry I havent answered sooner.
Now where can I start..?

Trish asks could they have been outside England and Wales at census time?  -I hadn't thought of them being together to travel before their marriage,  but on reflection, one would hope they didn't meet for the first time at the Church, 1885....   I cant think of a reason for them to have gone anywhere... hang on, Jesse was in the Army, as he was pensioned in 1891
Thats a whole new area to check out...  But I don't think Annie would have been posted with him.

Annies Mother then, Tati, Trish & Eyesee, was Charlotte Bates/Lucking,  Died 1859, and Father died  about 5 years later 1864 when Ann/ie was 15.
Stepmother was Mary Ann Hoad from Enfield Middlesex. Would she have stayed in Fyfield?  I imagine Samuel Lucking next door rallying with Mary and making arrangements for the children.... Have to think about that, make sure Ive been paying full attention to your info..

And the St Marys Islington ref is intriguing Eyesee-  Birth 1849 again.   I would like to see the image to add as a footnote...

Thanks again for all your help, this has been quite a mobile group to track!
The next step could be military records...

Regards,

Geoff

Hello

I have Jesse Hall & Annie Bates Marriage:
1885
Jesse HALL and Annie BATES,
Sep qtr 1885, Godstone, Surrey
2a 299.
Marriage from FreeBMD

Do either of them feature in the 1881 census? Annie would be 32, & Jessie 29.  Family stories have Jessie as a gamekeeper on an estate, where he met Annie, who either worked there or was the Daughter....

So perhaps her family/parents (William and Mary Bates) from Fyfield Essex are in the census too?

Thanks

Geoff

Thanks Newfy and Isobelruss!

I'm surprised at how the information just floods in! Thank you for your effort.
So working back:

1901 Husband Jesse Hall widower, and daughter Alice at Henton Hampshire, and Daughter Millicent is a scholar in Kensington. Son Herbert possibly in the Navy.

1899 Dec, Deaths, Annie Hall, 50 Watford (confirms 1861 reference, B 1849)

The 1891 Hampshire census should read Ann aged 42, born Fyfield Essex.
(and 1887 onward, children born in Feldbridge Rd, East Grinstead, Sussex)

Marriage between1871 and 1886 say. Age and location unknown.
1881 census falls in this period. no record? aged 32, and Jesse 29

1871 Ann was in service in Paddington, 22, so unmarried (are there any further details on location/employer?
1871, Jesse was u/m 19 private, 67 regiment Hampshire Hinton.

1861  Ann(ie) aged 12 B Fyfield, living at Whitney Green, Fyfield. Jesse aged 9 in Warnford, Alresford.

It would be good to pin down their location/s and any of their parents in 1881 which may indicate where to look for the marriage.  Could you spare the time to cast about for them?  Some of the family were in Hemel Hempstead at some point... Even if there's nothing further found, you have helped a great deal already, thanks again!

Regards

Geoff