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Messages - melba_schmelba

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I'm certainly no expert in this area. I do remember reading (and just found) this from Genuki:

"From 1851, the Registrar-General grouped together the census returns from those parts of Middlesex, Kent, and Surrey which formed the "metropolitan" area commonly called London - i.e. the built-up areas - as a separate "census county". This area was used as the basis of the area governed by the Metropolitan Board of Works and later formed with few alterations the new County of London when it was created in 1889. The areas covered include Paddington, Kensington, Fulham, Chelsea, St George Hanover Square, Westminster, Marylebone, Hampstead, Pancras, Islington, Hackney, St Giles, Strand, Holborn, London City, Shoreditch, Bethnal Green, Whitechapel, St George in the East, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, Poplar, St Saviour, Southwark, Lambeth, Wandsworth, Camberwell, Greenwich, Lewisham and Woolwich.

The rest of the county remained under the name of Middlesex."
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/census

Doesn't this imply in 1841 it was under Middlesex (or Kent or Surrey for other areas)?
No ;D. The Metropolitan Board of Works was formed in 1855 to properly organize the maintenance and development of roads, sewers, bridges, and eventually the fire brigade and parks which included the City of London, but the actual County of London was not formed until 1889. The Board of Works covered both the City and parts of Middlesex, but the former was never part of the latter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Board_of_Works

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I heard this before so just rechecked and Google search shows this ???

"In 1841, the historic county of Middlesex included London north of the Thames River, along with surrounding areas to the north and west. This area was a significant part of the broader census information for London, covering various parishes and areas within the county."

But agree you have to know this if you want to find what you are looking for :)
That was not correct, Middlesex never covered the City of London, indeed if you look at the original census forms for 1841 for the City of London parishes, they say London not Middlesex. If this is from the Google Gemini AI answers that Google searches now generate, they are often wrong! Much of Middlesex became part of the County of London in 1889 and was later all absorbed by Greater London in the 1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_London

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Anyone looking for someone in London in 1841 may have no luck unless you specify Middlesex, as it turns out all the parishes within the City of London are wrongly put by Ancestry in a Middlesex category. If you browse using the drop down boxes on the right in this link, you can see there is no 'London' under the 'County' dropdown box

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8978/

On the plus side Ancestry seem to have restored the '& adjacent counties' feature in the search form :).


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The Common Room / Re: Dorizac Family in England - Name Origin?
« on: Wednesday 04 June 25 16:32 BST (UK)  »
If you think there is a Huguenot connection you could always try looking for records in Lausanne as that was where a large population went to.  I only found this out when researching my own family tree. I dont think from a DNA perspective you can get accurate French matches as they dont get added to the database.
MyHeritage kits were sold in French supermarkets for many years, but supposedly they have cracked down on it recently. So there are a significant amount of French testers on MyHeritage - I know because you can filter by country and I have seen many French tests as matches. But there are other ways French people who are determined do get hold of DNA tests as described here

https://genealogie-genetique.com/comment-recevoir-un-test-adn-en-france/

Huguenot migration was so long ago, any 'Huguenot DNA' would likely just be detected as whatever the country those emigrants had been most settled in i.e. British, Irish, Dutch, German, Swiss etc. as it would be so dispersed amongst those populations.

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The Common Room / Re: Dorizac Family in England - Name Origin?
« on: Tuesday 03 June 25 15:11 BST (UK)  »
harling + melba

its worth re-checking your Ancestry dna results as they are constantly refining categories and french is now included specifically

germanic also turns up quite a lot

also with dna tests you may be able to prove your connections to each other


this topic is  interesting  : looking forward to reading any further conclusions

my french neice wants to take dna  test .her ancestors are from beynac in dordogne region . a lot of the place names there end -ac
Ancestry has always had a French category, but I know from testing a person of 100% French ancestry, that it isn't very accurate in that it only covers a very small set of samples, and those are likely of French Quebecois, which is a narrow focus as emigration to Quebec was mostly from specific parts of France and hardly any from others. This person's France % has gone from 25% to 55% then back to down to 40%, with most of the rest varying Irish and British categories. It reflects the fact they have vastly more samples from GB and Ireland so these are the closest match for the DNA of many French people that the algorithm recognises. Their closest matches are also very small, about 30cM the largest. So for French people of mostly French descent unfortunately it isn't going to tell you much, unless you have ancestry from other countries or ethnicities where testing is much more common, or groups that recently emigrated to the US/Canada/UK/NZ/Australia etc which represent the highest amount of Ancestry testers.

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Suffolk / Re: Suffolk Wills in Essex Record Office
« on: Friday 23 May 25 12:50 BST (UK)  »
To be fair, it hasn't been called SEAX for years (I know, I'm sorry, I can't help myself!)
It's Essex Archives Online now, as in your link.
Thanks, hadn't twigged this :)!

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Suffolk / Re: Suffolk Wills in Essex Record Office
« on: Friday 23 May 25 12:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, that is good news.

Also I am sure you are aware that many Suffolk wills were proved in Norfolk courts, due to Suffolk being in the Diocese of Norwich.
Yes, the index is now on Ancestry, but not images
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62679/

Some of the images are on Familysearch as discussed on this thread but some may be need to be consulted at a Familysearch Centre or affiliate
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811168.0

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 23andMe declares Bankruptcy
« on: Tuesday 20 May 25 20:08 BST (UK)  »
I  believe today that it's been reported that 23andMe has been sold at auction for $256,000,000, to pharmaceutical company Regeneron who will use the company's uploaded genome information for 'drug discovery'.

As it's been predicted for months this would be the likely outcome I doubt many will find it a real surprise.
Thanks
https://www.massdevice.com/regeneron-to-acquire-23andme-for-256m-plans-to-continue-consumer-genetics-services/

Regeneron to acquire 23andMe for $256M, plans to continue consumer genetics services

"Regeneron said it plans to maintain 23andMe’s consumer genome services without interruption."

"“We have deep experience with large-scale data management, having worked with collaborators around the world to link deidentified DNA sequences from nearly three million consented participants to electronic health records, safely and securely enabling future medical advances,” Regeneron President and Chief Scientific Officer George Yancopoulos said in a news release. “We believe we can help 23andMe deliver and build upon its mission to help those interested in learning about their own DNA and how to improve their personal health, while furthering Regeneron’s efforts to use large-scale genetics research to improve the way society treats and prevents illness overall.”"

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The Common Room / Re: Has Ancestry broken the adjacent counties setting?
« on: Tuesday 13 May 25 18:21 BST (UK)  »
I actually think they've gone off the deep-end and set about AI programmers on the site, and it's breaking it bit by bit.

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