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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Wellington Archives look up please
« on: Tuesday 03 May 16 02:29 BST (UK) »
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)
« on: Friday 22 April 16 11:24 BST (UK) »
Am wondering if this Papers Past Article, might be our John. If so , we might have his arrival in Port Chalmers (which would explain his Dunedin Residence at his time of marriage). It also fits in with the fact that he was still in Finland in 1880/1881, and had to be here by Dec 1885, for his wedding. The Death printout, had no ship name. Just the years in New Zealand, and as others have stated that may or may not be correct depending on how greived the person giving the information was.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ODT18831224.2.3&srpos=2&e=01-10-1883-01-03-1885--100--1-byDA---2Karlson--
As to the person who asked if he was literate... I am not sure. It looks asthough the Death printout is like a death certificate (though provides more information about cause of death). He had apparently had Stricture of Pylorus, time of illness is stated as 6 months, and also had a Gastric haemorrhage.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=ODT18831224.2.3&srpos=2&e=01-10-1883-01-03-1885--100--1-byDA---2Karlson--
As to the person who asked if he was literate... I am not sure. It looks asthough the Death printout is like a death certificate (though provides more information about cause of death). He had apparently had Stricture of Pylorus, time of illness is stated as 6 months, and also had a Gastric haemorrhage.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)
« on: Friday 22 April 16 07:31 BST (UK) »
I have the Death printout.
It states time in New Zealand as 21 Years (in 1905), the age at death 43, matches up and death date etc. This means his trip would have been in 1884.
It states time in New Zealand as 21 Years (in 1905), the age at death 43, matches up and death date etc. This means his trip would have been in 1884.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)
« on: Friday 22 April 16 00:21 BST (UK) »
Thank You Ian, and Beg.
Lots of Information to follow through and look at now
So John Carlson (and name variants) must have arrived to New Zealand somewhere between 1882 and 1885? (Dec 1885 he was married in New Zealand).
The next thing I wonder if the records over there show is his job/type of work. Over here he is listed as a Carpenter for some, and Shipwright for his later years. This would be useful, as I would be able to figure out if he was working his way over as a crewman of some sort (crew-carpenter for example), or just travelling as a passenger.
Lots of Information to follow through and look at now
So John Carlson (and name variants) must have arrived to New Zealand somewhere between 1882 and 1885? (Dec 1885 he was married in New Zealand).
The next thing I wonder if the records over there show is his job/type of work. Over here he is listed as a Carpenter for some, and Shipwright for his later years. This would be useful, as I would be able to figure out if he was working his way over as a crewman of some sort (crew-carpenter for example), or just travelling as a passenger.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 06:27 BST (UK) »If John Carlson was a shipwright, why would he appear on any passenger list? Possibly as a ships carpenter in the age of sail he would have been a crew member.
I hadn't thought of that, however trying to narrow down a date of arrival would assist, as we don't know what age he would have been, and if he would have had the Carpenter/Shipwright trade prior to emigration.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 06:25 BST (UK) »Isn't this the wrong man in the newspaper articleHe is named as John CARLSON, a Swede.
~ Lu
No, it could be the same person, as Finland had people that spoke both Finnish and Swedish. It 'might' be that he was from Finland, but grew up in the Swedish speaking part of Finland.
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Wellington Archives look up please
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 06:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Janette,
I believe the Naturalisation you have above is correct, though as I cannot get to the office I cannot view the documents.
As for the probate, I think I might have it, though it would be good to obtain it, unless you can find it through family search for me?
I have other information as it pertains to his wife, and living children left behind. (Emma Alice Eden Bjornvik/Carlson), I believe there is also an affadavit signed by her in 1907 due to him having no will and testament.
Kind Regards,
Stephanie
I believe the Naturalisation you have above is correct, though as I cannot get to the office I cannot view the documents.
As for the probate, I think I might have it, though it would be good to obtain it, unless you can find it through family search for me?
I have other information as it pertains to his wife, and living children left behind. (Emma Alice Eden Bjornvik/Carlson), I believe there is also an affadavit signed by her in 1907 due to him having no will and testament.
Kind Regards,
Stephanie
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Wellington Archives look up please
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 05:42 BST (UK) »
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone is likely to be going to the Wellington Archives in the next few weeks April/May 2016, and if so, if they wouldn't mind adding on a couple of queries I have to their trip. (I am based in Auckland and unable to travel due to illness).
I am looking for two items:
1) The Naturalisation papers for John Carlson (Also known as Johan Karlsson Bjornvik), naturalisation date 13 May 1902. [born about 1862 in Finland, Russia to Carl and Carolina Bjornvik]
I am specifically interested if you can take photos so I can get data such as the ship he came to New Zealand on.
2) The other Item I would love to see (hopefully to garner how many years he was in New Zealand) is his Intention to Marry Document. He Married Emma Alice Eden BIRDSEY on 30th December 1885, in Dunedin. (Please see Marriage printout below)
Many Thanks,
Stephanie
I was wondering if anyone is likely to be going to the Wellington Archives in the next few weeks April/May 2016, and if so, if they wouldn't mind adding on a couple of queries I have to their trip. (I am based in Auckland and unable to travel due to illness).
I am looking for two items:
1) The Naturalisation papers for John Carlson (Also known as Johan Karlsson Bjornvik), naturalisation date 13 May 1902. [born about 1862 in Finland, Russia to Carl and Carolina Bjornvik]
I am specifically interested if you can take photos so I can get data such as the ship he came to New Zealand on.
2) The other Item I would love to see (hopefully to garner how many years he was in New Zealand) is his Intention to Marry Document. He Married Emma Alice Eden BIRDSEY on 30th December 1885, in Dunedin. (Please see Marriage printout below)
Many Thanks,
Stephanie
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Tracing from Finland/Russia (Carl Bjornvik)
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 03:58 BST (UK) »
Beg,
I wasn't sure if they were farm names, patonymic names, or adopted surnames. It was getting me really stuck, and Papers Past only showed Emma under the name Bjornvik for any records. and BDM showed nothing!!
Glad we have figured out that they probably did not make the voyage, although it makes looking for John Carlson a tad harder.
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would the ITM be just as useful, even if he moved about once arriving in New Zealand.. or are they only location specific for registration purposes?.
Your idea of requesting for someone to look for me is one I will take up (and make a separate post about later - hopefully that bring up some answers)
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I cannot seem to locate the correct death on BDM for John Carlson, though I do have the cemetery information. If I were to find the correct John Carlson I would most definately be looking at getting the Death Cert. The only one showing in 1905 is 58 upon his death and the john we need was approx 43.
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In all honesty I cannot remember where I got the 1848 birth date for Carl BJORNVIK mentioned in your original post. However the details that Ian have provided give a different birth date, and are more likely to be correct. I think I was going off the assumption they had migrated with John, and died here in New Zealand under an assumed surname.
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I will have a look into that link that you have given me
I wasn't sure if they were farm names, patonymic names, or adopted surnames. It was getting me really stuck, and Papers Past only showed Emma under the name Bjornvik for any records. and BDM showed nothing!!
Glad we have figured out that they probably did not make the voyage, although it makes looking for John Carlson a tad harder.
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would the ITM be just as useful, even if he moved about once arriving in New Zealand.. or are they only location specific for registration purposes?.
Your idea of requesting for someone to look for me is one I will take up (and make a separate post about later - hopefully that bring up some answers)
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I cannot seem to locate the correct death on BDM for John Carlson, though I do have the cemetery information. If I were to find the correct John Carlson I would most definately be looking at getting the Death Cert. The only one showing in 1905 is 58 upon his death and the john we need was approx 43.
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In all honesty I cannot remember where I got the 1848 birth date for Carl BJORNVIK mentioned in your original post. However the details that Ian have provided give a different birth date, and are more likely to be correct. I think I was going off the assumption they had migrated with John, and died here in New Zealand under an assumed surname.
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I will have a look into that link that you have given me
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