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Scotland / Re: Natural and sponsored child
« on: Sunday 27 April 25 03:40 BST (UK)  »

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Scotland / Natural and sponsored child
« on: Sunday 27 April 25 03:37 BST (UK)  »
How would I interpret this birth record for William Gracie?
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Gracie John Miner in Dalry and Marion Townsend had their natural son named William. Born 31st May 1836 and baptized 9th December 1839. The mother being sponsor.
I know natural versus lawful is probably referring to William being illegitimate, but I am not sure how this interacts with the description of Marion being sponsor. And why such a large delay in being baptised?
I think I have Marion's death record in 1861 in Dalry, where she is described as single (this would agree with William's marriage record in 1867 to Esther Shannon, where she is described as deceased), but I can't find anything about John Gracie (he is probably alive in 1867 according to William's marriage record).




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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Euphemia Henderson might be Elspeth?
« on: Wednesday 26 October 22 09:51 BST (UK)  »
No luck at all finding plausible references to Elspeth later in life, or even better, references to Euphemia tying her to this family (beyond her marriage record). The Hendersons are definitely a family of shoemakers, both in Saltoun and Leith it appears, with most of Elspeth's brothers taking up this occupation. However none of their marriages have Euphemia as a witness. Haven't checked out the baptism records of their children, but most are not living anywhere near Euphemia anyway.

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Euphemia Henderson might be Elspeth?
« on: Tuesday 25 October 22 10:09 BST (UK)  »
By my reckoning, searching phonetically on Henderson, and for first names starting with Els, I can't find anything that I think looks remotely likely in marriages or deaths. That's both in the OPR and SR records, and searching the whole of Scotland.


I have also started to see if I can find evidence of Elspet or Euphemia as witness in other family members weddings, but not so far. 

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Euphemia Henderson might be Elspeth?
« on: Tuesday 25 October 22 07:48 BST (UK)  »
Interestingly, George Henderson is the witness to various baptisms of Andrew's children, so there is probably a George floating around in the family somewhere. I can't find much about him however

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Euphemia Henderson might be Elspeth?
« on: Tuesday 25 October 22 05:14 BST (UK)  »
On 29th May 1814 Euphemia Henderson married Hugh Grieg in Pencaitland.  Her father is said to be Andrew Henderson, a shoemaker in Salton.  Euphemia and Hugh show up in all the census records, and from these you can deduce she was born circa 1789, and her death certificate says she is 83 in 1871. 


When I search for Euphemia's birth records I find Andrew Henderson a shoemaker in Salton, having children with May Torrance in the appropriate time frame, but there is no Euphemia among them.  The 1789 date is taken by Alexander, but in 1787 there is an Elspeth born. 


My question is how likely is it that Elspeth is Euphemia? The names seem to be quite separate, but how many Andrew Henderson shoemakers is a town like Salton likely to have in the 1780s?


To make things worse, Euphemia's death certificate says her father is George Henderson an agricultural laborer, but I am assuming this is just wrong, and the marriage record will be the correct one.

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Hi Lisa - John is who I am really looking for, but Mary Middlemass is his wife.  And I just found her, thanks to the information that son James was visiting her in Scotland in 1913. She is definitely not dying in Scotland, as a search of ScotlandsPeople shows, but checking the GRO records instead I find:
MELROSE, MARY  MIDDLEMASS  85  GRO Reference: 1917  D Quarter in CHRISTCHURCH  Volume 02B  Page 84
Success!
Now back to John........

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Thanks for this ongoing help! I am at work, so technically am not reading any of this, let alone replying, but I will be looking again tonight in 7 or 8 hours time. I love the way that so much has been filled in on son James, even down to a photo of him. Mary Middlemass I assume died in Trenton as well, but I can't find any trace of her either.  She doesn't seem to be in the same cemetery as daughter "Jeannie Melrose" (Jane Ballantyne Henderson). What a difficult family!

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I mean he's obviously not in Scotland is he? He doesn't show up in prison records, censuses, death records or anything else. But then he doesn't seem to be in America or South Africa, where his children are, either. Is he in NZ, Australia, England, Wales, Ireland or Canada? I have no idea where he went.

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