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Westmorland / Re: Confusing case of two John hodgsons (I'm stumped)
« on: Friday 01 April 16 19:06 BST (UK)  »
Meant to say thanks for all that information about George and Mary,  their children etc etc,  I now see that you put Frances' wedding in Lancaster in 1900 and she as a widow,  the entry I found was 1903 wonder which it is?  meant to say also that Edward and Frances' daughter Elizabeth Jane Hodgson emigrated to Canada in 1914 aged 15,  with her Stewardson cousin.    great to have made contact with you as you are answering all the questions I have been searching for!  Wish I could give you some info that you need.

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Westmorland / Re: Confusing case of two John hodgsons (I'm stumped)
« on: Friday 01 April 16 18:35 BST (UK)  »
so that makes us cousins if your great grandad and mine were brothers,  not sure what you should put on here but I live on the Wirral, England,   My story gets even more complicated,  Frances Stewardson went to Lancaster with John Henry Fraser,  don't know if she moved there with Edward and then he died,  or whether she went with john Henry,  If you know of the death record for Edward, I would be grateful,  I can see an Edward dies in Lancaster in quarter J/A/S/ 1901,   or an Edward dies November 1902 with a burial at Morland Eden District,    Frances is on the census 1901 as John's wife! which she wasn't until 1903,  and they had changed my grandads name to James H. Fraser and not his own John James Hodgson,   In 1901 she had a child to John called Thomas Harold,  a Boris in 1904, who seems to have died,  then Alice in 1907,  She had already left her's and Edward's daughter Elizabeth in Whittington Lancs with her mother Elizabeth Stewardson and never went back for her.  Then she left my grandad alone in Lancaster aged about 14,  and she went to Australia with John, Harold and Alice !   When she got there she then left everyone and completely disappeared and no-one could find her again.  I am in touch with the descendants of Harold in Australia,  So I had no family knowledge passed down to go on, only what I have been able to find out myself,  So if you know about Edward I would be grateful.

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Westmorland / Re: Confusing case of two John hodgsons (I'm stumped)
« on: Friday 01 April 16 16:35 BST (UK)  »
Have just been checking records I have found (which isn't that much on my great great grandad John Hodgson)  Have located the first 3 chidren on the 1871 census,  Sarah aged 5,  Edward (my great grandad) aged 3,  and John  aged 1.   all at Lupton  all noted as children of agricultural labourer . They had all been born at Lupton.

By 1881 they where living in Hutton Roof  John Hodgson blacksmith is down as being born in Kirkby Lonsdale, aged 43,  his wife Elizabeth 44 born in Whittington Lancs.  Sarah 15, Edward 13, John 10  and George 8, are all down as being born in Lupton,  and Alice 6, born in Whittington,  then William 3, James 3 months and a grand daughter 1, all born at Hutton Roof. 

They are living at Lea Bank Hutton Roof on the 1891 census  with John as Blacksmith, Elizabeth his wife, My great grandad Edward a general labourer, George a blacksmith, William and James.

Maybe there were more blacksmiths there as during the   1870s and 1880s  there was a massive work going on in the area of Hutton Roof building reservoirs and pipelines to take the water to Manchester,  seems there was a lot of trouble in the area with drunkenness and brawling!  Google Navvies and the local community,  the experience of the Thirlmere Aqueduct in Westmorland and North Lancashire 1888-1893 .   

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Westmorland / Re: Confusing case of two John hodgsons (I'm stumped)
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 19:06 BST (UK)  »
This is the most confusing problem I have ever come across, if anyone has any ideas I'd be very grateful.

I have been researching my ggd grandfather John Hodgson b. 1870. He was born in Westmorland along with many others of the same name, On his marriage certificate it states that his father was also called John Hodgson and he was a blacksmith.

With this information I soon found the household census records of John Hodgson b. 1838(ish) married to Mary with a son called John. He was the blacksmith in Hutton roof, Westmorland and he was born in Kirkby Lonsdale.

I then set about finding census records for his entire life and planned to find his parents in this manner.

1891. John Hodgson - blacksmith in Hutton roof. B. Kirkby Lonsdale. Wife Mary, kids including John Hodgson born 1838

1881. John Hodgson - blacksmith in Hutton roof. B. Kirkby Lonsdale. Wife Mary, kids including John Hodgson born 1838

1871. John Hodgson - agricultural labourer!? In lupton. B. Kirkby Lonsdale. Wife Mary and the same kids with the same dates of birth as in the later census

1861. Can't find joy. Hodgson the blacksmith or blacksmith apprentice. Found 2 farm labourers, could be either but I imagined he must have to have been an apprentice or son of a blacksmith

THIS IS WHERE IT GETS CONFUSING

Option 1
1851- John Hodgson - son of blacksmith aged 12 in Lupton. B Kirkby Lonsdale

Option 2
1851- John Hodgson - apprentice blacksmith aged 14 in Lupton. B Holme (very near Kirkby Lonsdale

Both of these two options are on the same census record from the same house. The head of the family was George Hodgson the blacksmith who has a son aged 12 called John and an apprentice aged 14. I can find a previous census from 1841 with George as the blacksmith and his young son John.

I'm stumped, any ideas?
Hi my great great grandad was one of the John Hodgsons you are talking about,  He is the John Hodgson who was married to Elizabeth living at Lea Bank Hutton Roof on the 1891 census with John listed as blacksmith as is his son George on the same census.  John by then being 54 years old and George 18.  my great grandfather was George's brother Edward Hodgson  aged 23 on that same census,  they had other brothers and sisters ....Sarah, John, Alice, William and James,    I have been trying to find when my great grandad Edward died it seems to be around 1900,  he was married to Frances Stewardson in 1897 the same year my grandad John James Hodgson was born and his sister Elizabeth Jane Hodgson was born in 1899,  But as his wife remarried a John Henry Fraser in Lancaster in 1903,  I presume he had died,  does anyone have any information?

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