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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Wednesday 06 April 16 08:23 BST (UK)  »
Hello Linda,
                I perhaps didn't make myself clear : I know where Richard Talbott and Emblin were married, and when - I understand the switch from Julian to Gregorian calendars - I want to find out about Emblin's family and when/where she was born.
                WCRO is always closed for the first week of every month for what they call ' Collections' - I guess it's when they put on file whatever has been accessed.
Pat.

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Tuesday 05 April 16 20:19 BST (UK)  »
Hello Linda,
               Met with my 'cousin' Jill Sparrow for coffee this morning; she's still trying to absorb everything.
              I'm looking forward to going into the WCRO at the end of the week with more specific events to check, and take photocopies. Need to absorb your latest info. this evening.
               Have found Boovy - instead of Bovey (Emblin, who married Richard Torbett, 2nd June, 1706) at Alcester and Bidfordon Avon. Only the surname so far, but worth following up.
              The older Elizabeth Coakley (widowed) was married to Henry Coakley, who died at Frankton, 30th October, 1743. He was the son, called Henrian, bapt.  at Baginton to Thomas and Joicse (Joyce, I presume) on 18th March, 1699, Another query to follow up.
Hope you're well, and not getting too cross-eyed with all these e-mails crossing the world!
Having a tooth out tomorrow - failed crown, so if I don't feel too well afterwards, I shall be sticking to the computer, and trying a couple of the Sammons' Wills, I've re-discovered!
Pat.

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Sunday 03 April 16 18:56 BST (UK)  »
Hello Linda,
It occurred to me that the William Talbot (a) whose dates and marriage you're verifying was of the same generation as my William Talbot's son, John (bapt. 1795) not 1763 of Hardin's son, my William (b)
The William born to Thomas and Mary was on 11th January, 1778; that is the William who married Elizabeth Ladbrook.
There is a marriage of a Thomas Talbot and Mary Coales in 1732 in Dunchurch. She appears to come from Thurlaston, and her father is possibly Joseph. The marriage may be a tad early, but they may have had a tribe of children. Thurlaston only built a church - it's just a hamlet really, and marriages took place in Dunchurch until 19th century, if I remember correctly.
It looks like we're connected until the Hardings. I'll look at Thomas and Mary marriages later, but I'm a Samaritan volunteer with a duty later tonight, so I shall stop now.
I hope this blathering is some use, and can get back into the WCRO later this week.
Best wishes, Pat, 
 

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Hello again, Linda,
I now have time to reply in full - puppy of 4 months has been distracted, and Grandparent duties are over until tomorrow. I thought it would be useful for you to know what has led me through Fillongley and Weston on Wetherley.
My paternal grandfather was Frederick George Orme 1884-1950, born in Moira, Derbyshire ( died in         
                                                                                                                            Nuneaton)
only child of Edmund John Orme 1854-1897 and Mary Jane Torbitt 1851-1936.
                  born in Harsthorne, Derbys.                   born Chilvers Coton, Nuneaton,
                                               both died in Ch.Coton, and were Grocers.
I'll now concentrate on the Talbot/Torbitt/Torbet line.
Mary Jane was the daughter of John Torbitt 1825-1877, and Jane Taylor 1824 - 1904;
Both died at Ch.C, and were Butchers. He was born just outside Nuneaton at Stockingford, she was born in Ch.C.
       John Torbitt, junior, was the son of John T. senior, also a Butcher, 1795-1895, born at Fillongley - not far from Nuneaton - and Catherine Bostock, 1796-1883; both were buried at Ch.C.
       NOW : John T. senior was the son of William T. 1763/1777 at Ryton, a Miller then a Yeoman, who married Mary Sammon(s) at Weston under Wetherley, 13th October, 1788.
Now, The above William's baptism is on 5th June, 1763 at Ryton, and the second, at Stretton, has the explanation - I quote from the parish register - March 5th Willm. Son of Harding & Eliz. Talbot of Rieton at the Age of 14 5th June next.
Which ties the 2 baptisms neatly together; I am grateful for you telling me of the 2 Hardings marrying the 2 Elizabeth Coakleys, and think that the above William is the son of the 2 younger ones.
        You asked about where Fillongley was, and the tombstone inscription - It's close to Nuneaton (where, incidentally, was where I was born) and states he was buried in 1837, and his wife, Mary, in 1854. I have photographs, and also a copy of an Obligation confirming that William WILL marry Mary Sammons with a Licence, guaranteed by Hanbury Newark, whoever he may be.
        I know William Sammons was wealthy, and have a copy of the land he owned in Weston u W.
and in his long and complicated Will of 1809, he leaves money and William T. (and Mary Sammons, his wife) live in a Mill in Fillongley - no longer there.
        Now we come to the more complicated early lines. I need a day, at least, to go over all our combined recent information, and will be meeting Jill Sparrow on Tuesday - her grandfather was my grandfather's executor and best friend. Her maiden name was Kelsey, and like me, she was a teacher.
         I hope to hear from you soon, and will send you the combined thoughts of Jill and I.
If there's anything you would like  checking in the Warwick County Record  Office let me know.
Pat.     

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Friday 01 April 16 19:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Linda, I'm still pondering your info and trying to make it fit the facts I've verified with evidence from Warwick CRO. Your info. on there being 2 Elizabeth Coakleys is proving very useful. I thought it was virtually impossible for William to be the son of Harding Talbot senior, as he would have been 56. I'm sticking with William Talbot marrying Mary Sammons as their son, John (my g.g.grandfather) was baptized in 1795 - before the marriage of Elizabeth Ladbrook in 1802. I'll next try to untangle the Thomas Talbots. My g.g.mother was Mary Jane Torbitt 1851-1936. Keep in touch - we have info.to share. Pat Orme.

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 12:28 BST (UK)  »
Hello Linda,
Probably many years after you posted your letter regarding the Talbots, I picked it up as I was also revising my FH. William, of Harding and Elizabeth (Coakley, I think) was possibly their only surviving child. I and 2 other FH-interested relatives have been looking for him for years. He appears to have 2 baptisms - possibly due to his mother dying when he was 4, sorrow of his father, a disagreement, who knows? the first was at RoD in1763, the second at Stretton in 1777 - with a note from the Churcwarden? saying he had been baptised at the age of 14 " next June 5th " - the date of his first.
           I already knew of the inscription on his tombstone in Fillongley (with his wife, the former Mary Sammons, and the dates roughly fit (give or take 1/2 years.) I have noted the details of the Wills you've quoted, and intend to look at them, and shall probably go back to Warwick CRO this afternoon - I'm only 10 minutes away.
          I'm meeting a 'cousin' next week, and have already sent her my news on William Torbut/ Talbot/ Torbett.
Pat Orme.     

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