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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Maryanne Devine of Gresford now
« on: Tuesday 22 July 25 01:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi Michael
Yes I am Carolyn and it is fascinating to find out that there was yet another child for Mary Ann. She certainly had a complicated early life and then to lose 2 children, Maria and Francis, must have been soul destroying. Francis is buried in the graveyard at St Peter's Anglican Church at Tempe. I have the grave position but it is unmarked.
I did know of Charles' broken engagement and the terrible consequences of it although it was never spoken of in my family. Totally understandable.
My two brothers and I have done Ancestry DNA so hopefully one day we will crack Deborah's origins more thoroughly. Her arrival in Australia is covered in Elizabeth Rushen's book Colonial Duchesses and gives a little bit of her time when she first came to Sydney.
I would love to see some of the photos you have if you are willing to share them.
Carol
 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Maryanne Devine of Gresford now
« on: Monday 21 July 25 07:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi Nicholsonmike
Thanks for sharing the info on Mary Ann. She is my great grandmother through Charles Edler.
I was wondering if you had any photos of her or her other children? I only have one of her as quite an old woman.
Also wondering if you have any information about Mary Ann's mother Deborah beyond her arrival in Australia, marriage and death?
Thanks

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Sorry forgot to include that on her death certificate it says she was from County Kildare.

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To make things even more confusing on Catherine's marriage certificate her parents are listed as Dermot Keogh and Ann Toomy and Dermot is a farmer and she is from County Wicklow. However on her death certificate her father is listed as Nicholas Keogh and her mother Bridget Toomey. I am wondering if these are actually the names of her grandparents.

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For Anne Toomey's birth of 1812 it is in the records for the parish of Blackditches which I had been told was absorbed as part of Ballymore Eustace around 1830.
The Darcy I had being baptised in 1810 is
 https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633342?locale=en#page/54/mode/1up. Perhaps I am looking at the wrong line but not sure how to check this.

I appreciate all the detail about the Irish Constabulary and it makes perfect sense with Patricks's records showing he was often in Hollywood.

When I relooked at Catherine's shipping details they state that she sailed on the ship the Northumberland. It left Plymouth 8 Aug 1862 and arrived Australia 12 Nov 1862.
She is listed as coming from Ballymore, County Wicklow, Roman Catholic, a house servant and can read.

So I am confused about the changing counties and parishes.

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Thank you for all this research. I am going to have to do some more sorting as I have a baptism for Darby on 16 Sep 1810 and Ann Toomy on 30 Sep 1812. I would have thought these dates were more in keeping with their marriage in 1829. The Darby baptism in 1797 would make him quite old for his marriage to Ann.
I know Patrick, born about 1831 and his Irish Constabulary Records were from 1853 to 1860 in Wicklow Ireland.¹ Enlisted in the Royal Irish Constabulary. Age listed as 19. and occupation as labourer.
Service No 17472
Service period 16 Aug 1853 to 22 Sep 1860.
He migrated to Australia in 1861 on ship British Trident.
The townland, tithes and Griffith's  information is a great help. Will certainly be doing some more fossicking trying to work out the connections.
I hope to visit this area later this year.

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Thanks for the reply. Yes the marriage in 1829 is my Darby and Ann and they were Catholic. I didn't realise that Ballymore Eustace was in both counties but that would explain some quirks I have found on Ancestry and Family Search.  It would seem that their first child was Patrick 1831, Margaret 1832,Darby 1834, Catherine 1836, Bridget 1838, Maria 1839, John 1840 and Matthew 1846. I found all these in the nli registers.
Just not sure where Darby lived or where the Toomy family came from.

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My ggrandfather was Darby Keogh born about 1810 and married to Ann Toomy. They had 8 children, including my great grandmother Catherine baptised 1836. She and her brother John came to Australia in 1862 on the ship Northumberland and had their deposit paid by their brother Patrick. I know Patrick was in the Irish constabulary before he migrated.
I would be grateful for any information on the Keogh or Toomy families of Ballymore Eustace.

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Cavan / Re: Shannon family from County Cavan
« on: Thursday 13 January 22 04:06 GMT (UK)  »
Wivenhoe
The Marriage Certificate details are:
Date 24 Jan 1867
John Shannon Bachelor Co Cavan Ireland, Coach Proprietor 32yo Parents Thomas Shannon and Mary Blake Farmer
Catherine Keogh Spinster Co Wicklow Ireland, Servant  24 yo Parents Dermot Keogh and Ann toomy Farmer
Witnesses John and Hellenus Street
This is all on the marriage certificate.


Married in St Mary's Cathedral Sydney

On John's death certificate it lists his age as 65 years,  his father as Thomas Shannon Farmer and mother Mary Black, that he is Roman Catholic, born in Cavan Ireland and had been in the colony for 36 years at the time of death.

On the ship British Trident manifest in 1863 it states that John was 25 yo and a labourer. The ship arrived in Melbourne from Liverpool.

Thanks all for the interest and help.



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