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Armed Forces / Re: Miners and Sappers from early 1800's
« on: Friday 04 April 25 06:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to all who have responded so far.  The person I am looking for is William Bowden/Boden.  He was sent to Australia in 1833/4 on board the James Laing as a convict after being found not on duty and drunk whilst serving in Ireland.  He is a long shot as William has been very difficult to find. 

The family story has it that his parents are John and Ellen with William being born in 1818? Cheshire.  Both father and son were miners.

I had never considered this type of miner that is why it's a long shot.

Someone else also has this William dying in 1839 in Australia but being born around 1800 and a native of Cornwall.  If this is correct, he is not the right one.  My first idea is to see if I can find him or his father in the Military.  Let me know if you need any other details.

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Armed Forces / Miners and Sappers from early 1800's
« on: Thursday 03 April 25 03:33 BST (UK)  »
I would like to know what resources are available to find out who served in this part of the British Army in the early 1800's.  In particular it would include those who were posted to Ireland to do survey work.

I have searched some of the British Archives but I'm unsure of where else to look. 

The date period would be between approx 1810 to 1835.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

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Australia / Record name
« on: Saturday 25 January 25 04:32 GMT (UK)  »
I have found a record on a census record and would like to know what you interpret the name as.

The record name I'm after is no 16.  It has been recorded as William Bay****

If it helps at all -
Record no 13 & 14 first names are Thomas
Record no 17 is Patrick Murphy

I'd appreciate your interpretation of the writing.

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Warwickshire / Re: William Cash birth
« on: Saturday 30 November 24 02:03 GMT (UK)  »
But…
James is “connected with Birmingham thieves

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FCCC%2FADM6%2F421%2F00091&parentid=TNA%2FCCC%2FADM6%2F421%2F9028

I can't seem to access those records.  I found another site https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/calendars-of-prisoners-crime-criminals/

This indicates under one of the lists available a William Cash was caught in the Handsworth area of Birmingham in 1823 at the age of 22.  This looks as if it is him. 
The Staffordshire Advertiser has an item on the 8 Mar 1823 that mentions a William Cash.  I can't access the details.  This also looks like it is him.
Nothing for James.

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Warwickshire / Re: William Cash birth
« on: Friday 29 November 24 09:59 GMT (UK)  »
James’ certificate of freedom record says he is a native of Devonshire
Does another record say he was from Birmingham?

His place of conviction was Warwickshire.  Majority of documents have this.  I can't explain why it states Devonshire and I've always wondered about it.
An earlier ticket of leave states his place of origin was "at sea".

The more I look into this pair the more differences I pick up.  Only 1 record of James mentions William coming about 6 years earlier.  The only thing I haven't looked up is if he had a different surname.


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Warwickshire / Re: William Cash birth
« on: Friday 29 November 24 09:21 GMT (UK)  »
There were no birth records until the onset of Civil Registration in 1837?
I suspect what you have are baptisms.

Whilst I appreciate the reminder, most would pass it by without comment.

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Warwickshire / Re: William Cash birth
« on: Friday 29 November 24 09:19 GMT (UK)  »
The baptism of William Cash 27 Aug 1804 born 31 …….. can’t read. Transcribers seem to have interpreted it as an 1800 date.

Anyway, an observation , there are 41 baptisms recorded on that day.  Room for error. But it does say Jamima.

Agreed it does states Jamima quite clearly.
Do you think there is a possibility the priest got it wrong?  James was baptized in the same place.  This is the main reason why I think it is James' brother.

I've just found a few more court records which give his birth  back to 1796.  It seems to change a lot!

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Warwickshire / William Cash birth
« on: Friday 29 November 24 02:56 GMT (UK)  »
I have William Cash birth record in Birmingham at about 1800 - parents listed as William and Jamima.

I cannot find a record of a William and Jamima marriage.

I have another James Cash born 1803 Birmingham - parents listed as William and Thomasina.

I have the marriage for this couple in 1799.

My question is James was a convict arriving in Australia about 1830 and his record states he has a brother William who arrived approx 6 years earlier.  James arrived on the Florentina.

The above record is the only William I can find who is also a convict arriving in approx 1824.  William arrived on the Royal Charlotte.

Is it simply a wrongly written mother or ?? for William.

I also cannot find a definite William after he was given his freedom in 1839.  There are 2 death records for 1845 with insufficient details. 

Does anyone have any ideas.

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Australia / Re: How to find an ex convict's location in 1840's
« on: Friday 22 November 24 07:17 GMT (UK)  »


You are researching the origins of this man - ?

"His name as we know it is William Boden/Bowden b abt 1818 Cheshire.  Parents are reported as John & Ellen."

You need to identify the source of each piece of information you are giving the forum to work with.

Where do you see an approximate birth year?

Where do you see native place/birth place to be Cheshire?

Where do you see parents names?

What is the earliest evidence you have of him?.....a marriage record?.....name as father on a birth record?....what?

In reply to the above.

We have him recorded on his marriage and death certificate with parents of John & Ellen and origins of Cheshire.

We have detailed records from his marriage on wards nothing prior.

I had suggested in another post that he may have changed his name as these were not recorded prior to 1850.  From the details on his death certificate providing the truth was told he arrived in Australia in the 1830's.  The family was always advised 1833 but I think it could even be as late as 1838.  I researched others mentioning his mate James Cash in 1848 - This now gives us a timeline as to when they were mates providing they didn't meet up whilst serving out his sentence.  We have no knowledge if William is a convict, assisted immigrant or free settler.  I hope this provides answers to your questions.

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