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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Grace - Blacksmith - Westminster
« on: Wednesday 22 December 21 20:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish,
No, I haven't done my DNA yet but I think it's about time I did! Thanks for your advice and help.
Best wishes, Chris

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Grace - Blacksmith - Westminster
« on: Thursday 09 December 21 08:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish, Thanks for your latest reply. Sorry for the late reply but I have been doing some more research. Re. Thomas Grace. I don't believe he really knew when he was born. I can't find him mentioned with any certainty on 1861 or 1871 censuses. It should have been fairly easy as I know his father (from Tom's wedding certificate) was George Grace and that from Tom's Army attestion form gives Frederick Grace as being Next of Kin alive with a date of 18/4/81, Liverpool. Was this a notable date for Frederick. From your info I can see that Frederick was in Liverpool around about that time although he does seem to have married later this same year.
Amy attestation for Thomas on 26/7/1880 says he was 24 years 2 months giving a d.o.b of Amay 1856 in Worthing, Sussex but no records have been found.
1881 census: Thomas was on duty in Ireland so can't see him on census.
Marr certificate 2/10/1889 aged 32 (father: George Grace, coachman, deceased) supposed dob 1857
1891 census: aged 33 (supposed dob 1858)
1901 census: aged 44 (supposed dob 1857)
1911 census: aged 53 (supposed dob 1858)
Burial (parish record) 7/12/1911 aged 58 (supposed dob 1853)
Death cert 4/12/1911 (supposed dob 1853)
So from all this you can see he may not have know his date of birth!
But I am beginning to think that Thomas may have been related to Frederick and James (George!) Grace. I'd be interested to hear from you with any comments. Thanks, Chris

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Grace - Blacksmith - Westminster
« on: Tuesday 30 November 21 22:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish, Thanks very much for your very quick reply and information. I found it interesting to see that there was a big gap between Hannah Jane's birth in 1854 and Frederick in 1860 - a perfect timeslot for Thomas to be born in 1856. It would seem that Charlotte and James Grace had some sort of breakup in the family as they weren't living together as 1871 and 1881 censuses show and several children were staying with relatives. I have never found any connection with Thomas having been born in Worthing, Sussex but I honestly don't think he ever knew who his parents were. He didn't even mention them as being Next of Kin on the Army attestation in 1880 - only Frederick his brother in Liverpool was shown. I also found it interesting that by 1911 Frederick Grace had moved to Bishopstoke in order to work at Eastleigh Railway Works. Locomotive building had transferred from London to Eastleigh in January the previous year so it looks likely that Frederick had moved for the work. My great-grandfather Thomas Grace was only 58 but blind by now and died in December 1911, so if Frederick was Thomas's brother he would have been living only 5 miles or so from him.
I know quite a bit about the area as I was born in Winchester and still live 5 miles from Eastleigh so if I can help you with more about Frederick please just ask me. I know of some good photos of Eastleigh Rail Works as my brother worked there for a lot of his working life! If Thomas can be proved to be Frederick's brother and James's father I can offer a lot more info for your tree! Looking forward to hearing your comments.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Grace - Blacksmith - Westminster
« on: Monday 29 November 21 12:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish, It's been over 10 years since I last contacted you regarding James Grace. To recap, I have never been able to establish where my great grandfather Thomas Grace was born. Army records show he was born in Worthing, Sussex in 1856 and that he had a brother Frederick with Liverpool mentioned on the Army next of kin form. After many years of research I am beginning to think Thomas may be the son of James Grace of Westminster and that Charlotte may be the Liverpool connection. See my other posts to you from "wessexchris". I was particularly interested to see that in one of your posts you thought James had married before Charlotte. I'm not familiar with how RootsChat and this forum work so it may be better to email me if you can help! Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Best wishes, Chris

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