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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Wednesday 08 November 06 15:25 GMT (UK)  »
Sherwood,

Glad you could use the info.

I didn't find anything for John's birth. I know he exists because he's in the censuses. I'm beginning to think that he may have been James Jary's uncle from another Pentney - such as a brother of Abel or something. It is strange that he was born Beetly when all the others were No. Elmham.

Lydia, who was christened 1803 was listed in the Norfolk Transcription Archive, not in the IGI. I thought it was strange because I had seen the name Lydia as James's wife in one census before seeing that name in the Archive.

The Archive had Mary of 1801 as "Mary POUNTNEY"

There are two burials listed in the Archive: one for William 1818 age 18mo; one for Mary in 1807 listed as "Infant". Both were Elmham North.

An interesting thing is that there was an Abel born about 1800 and it appears that he may also be a son of Abel and Mary. You can follow him through the censuses from 1841-1871, then there is a BMD for his death in 1874. He was a Licensed Hawker and never married, but his birth was the right place at the right time. And with the name Abel....

Do you know if Peter Pentney remarried between 1861 and 1881? In 61 he's listed with Mary Ann; in 81, there's a Peter of same age and birthplace married to Elizabeth. The census was "No. Wootton."

Regards,
Nor_Fam

(BTW, I tried to "modify" but it gave me an error, saying I should logout and log back in. Maybe it's my browser... and ... I misspelled Mary as Marry. Sorry.)

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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Tuesday 07 November 06 16:05 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, that's "George, age 8" not George the Cool. It messed up a bit because I submitted after The Yokel made a reply, and I got a red message.

Regards,
Nor_Fam

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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Tuesday 07 November 06 16:00 GMT (UK)  »
Congratulations Sherwood - you've found GGG-grandparents and GGGG-grandparents! A few tidbits you may have discovered already, but, just in case:

1. Abel Pentney married Marry Thurston in No. Elmham. Two dates are given in IGI: 7 Apr 1797 and 22 Apr 1797

2. John Pentney married Rosetta Barwick in No. Elmham, 29 Jun 1837 (BMD).

3. John possibly died Q1 1877, Walsingham

4. Looks as if, in 1881, James J. Pentney was married to Lydia, b. abt 1841, Kent. Their children were Eliza (age 11), George (age 8) and William (age 10mo.) Eliza and Geo. were born in Peterboro, Northamton, and William in Carlton, Nottingham, where the census took place. (James was born in Lynn Nfk)

5. Children of Abel and Mary:

  • Mary, ch 27 Oct 1801, No. Elmham
    Lydia, b. abt 1803, No. Elmham
    Peter, ch 28 Sep 1807, No. Elmham
    Frances (f), ch 1 Nov 1809, No. Elmham
    Philip, ch 26 Mar 1813, No. Elmham
    William, ch 11 Jul 1816, No. Elmham
    James, ch 25 May 1818, No. Elmham

(From IGI, and Norfolk Transcription Archive)

Too bad there's not more on Jarys.....  :)

Regards, Nor_Fam

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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Sunday 05 November 06 15:40 GMT (UK)  »
Thank You!

That is a big help! What an interesting lead.

Regards,
Nor_Fam

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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Sunday 05 November 06 03:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

What an intriguing suggestion that JARY may be connected with PENTNEY.

I cannot find a Peter Pentney born 1808 in East Dereham, but I see one birth registered 1807 in Elmham North, Mitford/Laund. In Nfk Transcription Archive, he is listed as the son of Abel and Mary Pentney. In 1861 (Kings Lynn), he is married to a Mary Ann, who was b. c1812 in Cley Next The Sea, and they have children Sarah, John, George, Eliza & Emma, ranging in ages from 27 to 5 - No James. However, that same year, 22-yr-old James Jary Pentney is listed as Nephew to John Pentney, age 63. James gave his birthplace as Lynn and was then living in Brinton, Nfk.

I don't know Mary Ann's maiden name, unfortunately. And, I also know absolutely nothing about our Robert Jary, not even his real name. It has been suggested in family papers that his name was du Jareau, and he was French. Later I was told he was born in England and his father, whose name on his birth certificate was "Peter," was also born in England.

I will look into this further. Thank you for opening another door in this mystery.

Nor_Fam

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Norfolk / Re: Castle acre look up----SCULPHER
« on: Friday 05 May 06 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Debbie,

I should have mentioned that Mary's name was Mary Ann Hooks. (I have two files for this family, because of the variations in name spellings.) I see from 1881 Census, Bermondsey, that George and Mary A had six children living at home:

1881, St James Southwark, Bermondsey
Goerge Sculpher head Mar 53 Foreman Nfk Castleacre
Mary A.   "     wife Mar 48 DressMkr         "    "
Daniel?   "     son      19 Labourer           Sry Peckham
Robert    "     son      17 Sailor                  "   Battersea
Alfred    "     son      14 Messnger             "   Rotherhithe
Walter    "     son      12                            "    "
George    "     son       8                            "    "
Anne Mary "    daur       5                         "   Horsely Down

George's parents, Robert and Susan (Smith) Sculpher are shown in 1841, Castleacre with two of their boys, George and James. Between the two boys, they had Charles (b/d 1831); also had Emily, Charles (2) Robert, Emily (2), John and Georgeanna. There may be more. (Addition: This census also has Emala 6, Charles 4, Robt 1 - sorry, I didn't look carefully)

The problem with this family, and the reason they're so hard to find is (1) they spell their names in a variety of ways - SCULFER, SCULFAR, SCULFOR, SCULFORD, SCULFORTHE, SCULTHORPE, SCULPHER, etc, etc; and (2) They originated in the Suffolk area, esp. Bury St. Edmunds and then began appearing in Norfolk. Sculfer in Norfolk converged with another prolific Norfolk family, Powley. Quite a few of them can be found in Norfolk and Suffolk probate records (Ancestry has these.)

I have some charted material for both families if you need anything.

Regards,
Pat


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Norfolk / Re: Castle acre look up----SCULPHER
« on: Thursday 04 May 06 16:48 BST (UK)  »
Hello Debbi!

Was this Census info you posted from 1851? I have George SCULFER, b. 22 Jun 1828, Castleacre; d. 3 Sep 1899, St. Olave Southwark, Surrey; m. Mary HOOKS. I was just about to respond to your enquiry when I saw that you found George. Didn't know if you had the complete dates or not. I have more on Sculfers, if you still need any input.

Regards,
Pat

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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Sunday 31 July 05 16:27 BST (UK)  »
"kynyaf",

It would be nice if your JARYs were related to mine, who are presumably from the Swaffham area as well. Unfortunately, my Robert JARY (son of Peter) seems to be a man without a past, and none of the other names in your search interest appear to be relevant to our line. However, there is always hope, so if you can match Robert JARY (b.12 May 1820) or Peter JARY, his father (b.unknown), I would be eternally grateful. Both are said to have been born in "England" but I can find nothing in Norfolk as yet, although Robert was married in Kings Lynn St. Margaret.

Regards, Nor_Fam

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Norfolk / Re: Surname Interests, Blatch & Jary
« on: Thursday 23 June 05 05:23 BST (UK)  »
Hello!

Those are our Parfreys all right! Glad to find a new name or two in the bunch. I'd like to find out more on the _background_ for Richard PARFREY, who married Ann BOCKING? Or any on Miss BOCKING? I have that he died in 1803 and she in 1800.

The Norfolk Transcription Archive has records for Holme Hale back to 1758, which is just after the births of the people I'm looking for. But I know that Eliza PARFREY (dau of Richard and Penelope, in your note) married _Robert JARY_ in Kings Lynn 26.Feb.1843; his past is also obscured. His grave marker (in Nebraska, USA) says his birthdate was 12.May.1820, and his marriage license says he was born in England, as was his father (Peter). I'd really like to find out more about him. Someday when I'm able to extend my search into Subscription waters, I may have better success. BTW, Richard and Penelope had 8 more children. Thanks for filling in a few of the blanks.

Regards,

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