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Scotland / Re: searching for info on james patton born scotland 1837
« on: Tuesday 26 January 16 14:09 GMT (UK)  »
Happy to help Katherine. The Masterson book is now sold at Berniesworld. Its really cds. The records are colllated by father/mother and show all children born to them by birth registration and baptism (sometimes with the godparents noted). Really good and helped me a lot to look at them as families. It also allows you to rule out namesakes (kids who died early and then their name was given to another child born later). You have to slightly ignore the birth date - its really when the birth was registered. Baptism was the important one otherwise as you know they weren't put in the church if they died but down the shore in the 'killini'.

You could of course do this all yourself for nothing on family search or pay as you go on rootsireland. The 1901/1911 census returns also sometime indicate who the next generation back were. For example, next to my great grandfather's name is his own father's name put in brackets. The census collectors sometimes respected the older Gealic oral tradition!!

The Masterson book will only take you back to 1864.

A free source is also the military pension records published online 2 years ago by the Irish government: lists the claimants by their local brigade and rank for a military pension from the War of Independence. All the Achill companies are listed.

My mum is from Achill but brought up in Scotland: only saw her brothers when they came to Scotland for the 'tattie howkin!! They were a mix of Gallaghers from the Valley and my Grandfather was Johnny Masterson from Sraheens - known as Johnny 'Owen'. There were Kilbanes on his side through one of his uncles: she was another Katherine Kilbane! They all worked in Scotland or went to Cleveland.

There are some boards on Ancestry that discuss the Achill Kilbanes. You'd find it easy if you did a Google on the 'achill Kilbanes'. There are a couple of people on there who might scan you a copy of the records for the people  of interest to you if you enquire nicely.

#Love Achill :)

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Lanarkshire / Re: Hamilton Old Parish churchyard
« on: Tuesday 26 January 16 10:53 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Monamg for the info and yes I would really like a copy of the baptisms for the Hutton kids. Thank you, much appreciated. Seen a tree on Ancestry with one of these kids in it I think. I'm sure one of them became a lawyer like his father.

I know what the Sasines can show but never used them before directly. Perhaps I should for the RevJS. I come down his and Priscilla Edgar's line: so we are connected. He features in some local Glasgow folklore but the lack of his church records was frustrating.

The Edgars were Edinburgh lawyers/doctors from the Borders and I've seen a reference to Thomas Hutton snr operating for Dundas in Edinburgh. Thomas Hutton snr also had two daughters: only know that the 2nd was called Marion who married a local shoemaker and Baillie, Quentin Hamilton. There is a reference on the net to some legal action involving a tenant in 1761. Thought the Hutton family may have tied back to the Eastern borders like the Edgars.

The first AEdgar made money as a lawyer/factor in Jamaica and bought Auchingreymont. His son then bought other plantations but after falls in sugar prices and the end of slavery the business slowed. Sold Auchingreymont by 1855 at the end of the male line and destroyed all the family letters/ correspondence. Edinburgh lawyers indeed!!

I clearly come out on the much poorer churchmouse side of that family:)

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Lanarkshire / Re: Hamilton Old Parish churchyard
« on: Monday 25 January 16 21:59 GMT (UK)  »
I'll look for a will on SP Lodger. If its just an inventory though! Was looking for info on Priscilla Edgar - possibly may have been buried with her parents. A long shot but the Anderston Church graves were moved for the Kingston bridge - no records made.

Thanks for the RevJS material. PE was likely dead by 1789 after 2/3 more children because the RevJS remarried in 1790. His baptisms may indicate a timeline of contact with Hamilton that may have largely stopped after she died. Easy to speculate though...:)

 

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Mayo / Re: William Masterson Publication vs Rootsireland.ie
« on: Monday 25 January 16 21:17 GMT (UK)  »
Coming to this late but...

You have Achill names in your profile and the Masterson book is a lor easier than other avenues for this place: records colllated in family groups with baptism and registration dates, and often godparents. If you know the place it also makes it easier to interpret the importance of baptism before registration date, and ruling out namesakes who died in infancy.

On Ancestry there are people who can scan and send you info. No payment.

The records are good for Achill

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Lanarkshire / Re: Hamilton Old Parish churchyard
« on: Monday 25 January 16 19:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your quick reply Lodger. Much appreciated

Given the date of the death it was a long shot. Found the burial place of the next Alexander Edgar of Auchingramont in St Cuthberts Edinburgh but no luck with his mother/ father yet: probably either Hamilton, Edinburgh or his Jamaican plantations. What a choice!

Priscilla Edgar (first husband Thomas Hutton) funnily enough did marry the Relief minister the Rev James Stewart of Anderston.

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Scotland / Re: searching for info on james patton born scotland 1837
« on: Monday 25 January 16 18:17 GMT (UK)  »
For info the achill records mainly start from civil registration in 1864. The Catholic birth records there were all colllated by William Masterson who organised them by family.

There are still pattons on Achill today but unless you can trace this guys parents or have info that takes you back there I suspect this will not be a worthwhile search. Worse than a needle in a haystack I'm afraid!'

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Lanarkshire / Re: Hamilton Old Parish churchyard
« on: Monday 25 January 16 14:32 GMT (UK)  »
Wondering if there is any grave in Hamilton Old Churchyard for Alexander Edgar of Auchingramont?

Grateful for any help.

Alexander Edgar died in 1777 and the information in another source says "..was buried in Hamilton Churchyard.." which I assume means the old parish churchyard.

The Edgar's were latterly connected to Thomas Hutton (the writer) who died around 1777 as well and married a 'Prisicilla Edgar' daughter of the above Alexander.

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