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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Elizabeth Mooney and family (missing records)
« on: Thursday 24 August 23 11:46 BST (UK) »
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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Elizabeth Mooney and family (missing records)
« on: Monday 21 August 23 14:14 BST (UK) »Firstly, do be aware that children who ended up in Smyllum in that timescale, were not necessarily orphans. Children from the Dundee area quite often appear in lists recorded in local newspaers following Relief Committee visits and/or meetings, as their placement at Smyllum was funded locally and inspections were carried out by or on behalf of the committee.
A 13 yr old John Mooney, for example, appears on such a list in 1882.
The order of nuns who ran Smyllum did (do?) have an archivist, but records are sparse or no longer existing from that timescale. You can enquire further using the email address at https://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/st_vincent_de_paul.html . Smyllum opened in 1864.
As for parents names on marriage records, there was no check made on the accuracy of same, so any combination of names/occupation/life status could be given. If death was later registered by a family member with access to the marriage certificate information, then they could simply lift the information from same. Again, no checks would have been made.
There was an Elisabeth Mooney aged 38 months in the poorhouse at Dundee in 1875. You can request details via the email address at http://fdca.org.uk/Dundee_Poor_Register.html . Firstly go to the data page for M, scroll through to Mooney then note the reference number needed to locate the info. Whether linked or otherwise, but likely, a Margaret Mooney aged 28 and a Mary aged 4 months, entered on same day.
Do bear in mind that your Elizabeth may not have been either the one in the poorhouse, or the one in Smyllum.
Was there any family knowledge of your Elizabeth having possibly been an orphan that has made you consider the child in Smyllum at 1881? Do the 1901 and 1911 census record your Elizabeth as born Dundee? If at Bellside Terrace, 6 Glebe Street in 1901, then I can see it records her as Eliza, with a birthplace of Dundee and year 1875.
If you haven't already considered it, DNA can prove helpful in a situation such as this.
Also, have you considered and checked the content of, this birth record:
MOONEY
ELIZABETH
F
1872
282 / 2 / 35
ST MARY
as years on later records can often be incorrect.
Thank you very much! I will look into all of the information and resources you have suggested
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Angus (Forfarshire) / Elizabeth Mooney and family (missing records)
« on: Monday 21 August 23 10:18 BST (UK) »
Hi,
My 2nd Great Grandmother Elizabeth Mooney was born in Dundee in 1873 to John Mooney & Mary Scott.
So far, I have been unable to locate a Birth or Baptism record for Elizabeth, nor can I find a Marriage Record for John and Mary.
I have also searched for a Birth and Baptism record for "Elizabeth Scott" in the case her parents were not married at the time of her birth, but I simply cannot find anything.
I have searched ScotlandsPeople, FindMyPast, Ancestry, FamilySearch and also RootsIreland, in case her parents moved to Scotland at some point from Ireland, but have been unsuccessful in finding any records regarding this family.
Last week, I found an 1881 Census in Glasgow from Smyllum Orphanage where a "Lizzie Mooney" was listed as a scholar and who's age matches up nicely with my Elizabeth Mooney. It also listed her birthplace as Dundee so I am 99% sure this is the correct person. The Smyllum Orphanage 1881 Census also lists a John Mooney from Dundee as a scholar there who is 3 years older than Elizabeth, so I am going on the basis that they could be siblings.
I also found Marriage and Death certificates for her sibling John Mooney, but neither of these records list anyone as his parents and the section is left blank. This leads me to believe that Elizabeth somehow discovered her parent's names somewhere between 1895 and 1897, the latter of which being the year she was married. Both of Elizabeth's Marriage and Death records list her parent's names clearly. I am also unable to find her sibling John's birth record.
I also know from Elizabeth's Marriage record in 1897 that her parents were both deceased by the time of her marriage.
Her Father, John Mooney, is listed as having the occupation of "Gardener" on Elizabeth's records, and I recently found an 1891 Census from Cambuslang in Lanark of a John Mooney who is a Gardener. I have no idea if this is Elizabeth's Father or not, but it's all I have to go on. The 1891 Cambuslang Census entry says that John was either 41, 47 or 49 at the time the Census was taken. It's rather difficult to read as his age has been partially crossed out.
As for Mary Scott, I have absolutely no information about her apart from her name. After searching ScotlandsPeople, I did find that a particular "Margaret Scott" in Dundee had a handful of illegitimate children whose surnames were all listed as "Scott" on their birth records. I know these children shared the same mother due to their birth location, date range of their births, and their Mother's listed occupation (Factory Worker). I'm not sure whether "Mary" and "Margaret" are interchangeable, but ultimately I assume not. I may just be clutching at straws.
If you have read this far then I thank you. I would appreciate any pointers or information anyone could provide regarding these people. It's rather frustrating hitting a brick wall after only going back a few generations.
Kind regards,
Andy
My 2nd Great Grandmother Elizabeth Mooney was born in Dundee in 1873 to John Mooney & Mary Scott.
So far, I have been unable to locate a Birth or Baptism record for Elizabeth, nor can I find a Marriage Record for John and Mary.
I have also searched for a Birth and Baptism record for "Elizabeth Scott" in the case her parents were not married at the time of her birth, but I simply cannot find anything.
I have searched ScotlandsPeople, FindMyPast, Ancestry, FamilySearch and also RootsIreland, in case her parents moved to Scotland at some point from Ireland, but have been unsuccessful in finding any records regarding this family.
Last week, I found an 1881 Census in Glasgow from Smyllum Orphanage where a "Lizzie Mooney" was listed as a scholar and who's age matches up nicely with my Elizabeth Mooney. It also listed her birthplace as Dundee so I am 99% sure this is the correct person. The Smyllum Orphanage 1881 Census also lists a John Mooney from Dundee as a scholar there who is 3 years older than Elizabeth, so I am going on the basis that they could be siblings.
I also found Marriage and Death certificates for her sibling John Mooney, but neither of these records list anyone as his parents and the section is left blank. This leads me to believe that Elizabeth somehow discovered her parent's names somewhere between 1895 and 1897, the latter of which being the year she was married. Both of Elizabeth's Marriage and Death records list her parent's names clearly. I am also unable to find her sibling John's birth record.
I also know from Elizabeth's Marriage record in 1897 that her parents were both deceased by the time of her marriage.
Her Father, John Mooney, is listed as having the occupation of "Gardener" on Elizabeth's records, and I recently found an 1891 Census from Cambuslang in Lanark of a John Mooney who is a Gardener. I have no idea if this is Elizabeth's Father or not, but it's all I have to go on. The 1891 Cambuslang Census entry says that John was either 41, 47 or 49 at the time the Census was taken. It's rather difficult to read as his age has been partially crossed out.
As for Mary Scott, I have absolutely no information about her apart from her name. After searching ScotlandsPeople, I did find that a particular "Margaret Scott" in Dundee had a handful of illegitimate children whose surnames were all listed as "Scott" on their birth records. I know these children shared the same mother due to their birth location, date range of their births, and their Mother's listed occupation (Factory Worker). I'm not sure whether "Mary" and "Margaret" are interchangeable, but ultimately I assume not. I may just be clutching at straws.
If you have read this far then I thank you. I would appreciate any pointers or information anyone could provide regarding these people. It's rather frustrating hitting a brick wall after only going back a few generations.
Kind regards,
Andy
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Midlothian / Re: Thomas Grieve and His Parents (Missing Records)
« on: Tuesday 18 October 22 14:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your help and apologies for my late response. I'm still seeking the elusive birth record of Thomas Grieve. I will continue trying!
Andy
Andy
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Midlothian / Re: Thomas Grieve and His Parents (Missing Records)
« on: Saturday 17 September 22 17:24 BST (UK) »There are 6 Thomas Grieve's registered in Midlothian on SP 1862- 1866, 2 have middle names, they were born Leith South, as were 2 others, 1 was born St Giles and 1 Inveresk and Musselburgh.
Have you looked at all of these?
Colin
I have checked these already yes
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Midlothian / Re: Thomas Grieve and His Parents (Missing Records)
« on: Saturday 17 September 22 17:19 BST (UK) »Hi
Also, I cannot find any records for his parents who are both listed on Thomas' Marriage and Death records as John Herbert Grieve and Margaret Grieve (nee Goodall). Due to the information on Thomas' marriage record in 1897 I know that they were both deceased by the time he became married, but am struggling to find any records at all for his parents. I am also not aware if Thomas had any siblings or not due to finding such little information.
Thanks!
Andy
Where did John's middle name come from it is not on the marriage record?
Colin
Hi. Thanks for helping. His middle name is listed as Herbert on Thomas' Death Record linked below:-
https://freeimage.host/i/thomas-grieve-death-certificate.4iPnQs
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Midlothian / Thomas Grieve and His Parents (Missing Records)
« on: Saturday 17 September 22 08:28 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am trying to find the whereabouts of the birth record of my Grandfather's Grandfather Thomas Grieve who, according to the 1901 and 1911 Census', was born in Edinburgh circa 1863. I have used countless credits on the ScotlandsPeople site and many hours of searching on other Genealogy sites (mainly FindMyPast, Ancestry, and FamilySearch) trying to locate the record over the past couple of years to no avail.
Also, I cannot find any records for his parents who are both listed on Thomas' Marriage and Death records as John Herbert Grieve and Margaret Grieve (nee Goodall). Due to the information on Thomas' marriage record in 1897 I know that they were both deceased by the time he became married, but am struggling to find any records at all for his parents. I am also not aware if Thomas had any siblings or not due to finding such little information.
If anyone could assist me or give me any advice on where I may be going wrong it would be much appreciated. I will attach a link to the aforementioned records to this post for your viewing as the files are too large to attach to this post.
1901 Census - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPI44
1911 Census - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPzGf
Marriage Record - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPxCG
Death Record - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPnQs
Thanks!
Andy
I am trying to find the whereabouts of the birth record of my Grandfather's Grandfather Thomas Grieve who, according to the 1901 and 1911 Census', was born in Edinburgh circa 1863. I have used countless credits on the ScotlandsPeople site and many hours of searching on other Genealogy sites (mainly FindMyPast, Ancestry, and FamilySearch) trying to locate the record over the past couple of years to no avail.
Also, I cannot find any records for his parents who are both listed on Thomas' Marriage and Death records as John Herbert Grieve and Margaret Grieve (nee Goodall). Due to the information on Thomas' marriage record in 1897 I know that they were both deceased by the time he became married, but am struggling to find any records at all for his parents. I am also not aware if Thomas had any siblings or not due to finding such little information.
If anyone could assist me or give me any advice on where I may be going wrong it would be much appreciated. I will attach a link to the aforementioned records to this post for your viewing as the files are too large to attach to this post.
1901 Census - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPI44
1911 Census - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPzGf
Marriage Record - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPxCG
Death Record - https://freeimage.host/i/4iPnQs
Thanks!
Andy
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Stirlingshire / Re: Togneri Family
« on: Sunday 16 August 20 13:28 BST (UK) »
Sorry for the late response everyone. Thank you all for your help
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Kerry / Re: Rowan's from Tralee/Castlegregory area
« on: Sunday 22 December 19 12:14 GMT (UK) »Hi again
I don’t see a marriage in Clare (Kilrush or Ennis) for Mary Rowen - a daughter of Thomas. Wonder did Mary move out of that county....
Nor do I see a single Mary Rowen (born in Clare) in the 1901 census.
Cheers
I do have a marriage certificate for Mary Rowan and Thomas Hoare. They were married in Tralee in 1894. It does state her father as Thomas Rowan and also states she was living in the Ballyard area of Tralee at the time of the marriage.
Both 1901 and 1911 censuses I have for the Thomas Hoare and Mary Rowan family say that Mary was born in Tralee.
It is rather a mystery.
Thanks,
Andrew