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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Friday 19 August 16 13:55 BST (UK)  »
Iconicus,what a life full of tragedy and mis-fortune, she must have been one tough girl !! Must have felt blessed though, that she survived into old age what with her mum drinking herself to death and her husband committing suicide ! Do you know what she did for work before she retired ?
I was going to say to add to her misery as a child ,her father seems absent but maybe he wasn't that absent and was there for her as financially as he could.
Love to know how a poor east end girl managed to end up living in West London. Frank must of had a decent enough job at one time to keep them ? But what did she do before Frank ?
And yes your mum does look like Adelaide, they are both photogenic in the same way I think I

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Thursday 11 August 16 08:30 BST (UK)  »
I think the Jews in Whitechapel were more well off than most living there..Apparently they lived in the better streets,not crammed into one room of a house..Elizabeth Stride earned sixpence cleaning for the Jews.

So the 53 Gun st address With the three big Jewish families living there that Adelaide gave in 1915 when admitting herself into the infirmary could have been where she was working , or maybe working and living. Seems strange though that she was admted with a skin condition brought on by filthy conditions if she was a servant there.

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Wednesday 10 August 16 12:33 BST (UK)  »


The boots look like the ones the girl is wearing in the previous photo..
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To be honest I've always thought Horace Warner over egged the pudding a bit,  understandably he's trying to make the biggest point possible from the obvious poverty. But was it really as bad as all that and all these kids were running around in toeless boots all the time ?

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Tuesday 09 August 16 08:51 BST (UK)  »
https://goo.gl/images/VL82xA

In 1912 ,11 years later , no sign of tatty old boots on the corner of Dorset St!
And who 's that girl with the pushchair ? Could it be a grown up Adelaide ? Shame there's a shadow on the right side of her face making it impossible to see if she has Adelaides pear shape birthmark on her cheek !
Still it's exactly how I would expect her to look at 20 .

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Saturday 06 August 16 17:48 BST (UK)  »


Perhaps Frank Harling was already married so they couldn't legally marry. I hunted for ages for a marriage for my aunt but eventually found her "husband" was already married. She had just taken his name and they lived as husband and wife. We don't know when Adelaide and Frank Harling met, just that they are together from 1939. If it wasn't long before that, she would have been mid 40s, so perhaps that is why there are no children.
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It's strange that this pretty girl was not snapped up when she was younger and of child bearing age !!
You would have thought given her circumstances with her mum dying ,her dad apparently absent or dead and her sisters all dead that she would have been desperate for marriage as quick as possible just to get some security.
One thing she did have going for her was her looks so as I say I'm astonished she wasn't snapped up !!
Still I suppose after WW1 there was a lack of young men in their 20's !!
Imagine how strong she would of had to have been with all that had happened to her, so maybe she felt she could only rely on herself and just stayed single. Also it was the time of the suffragetts, so maybe she was heavily involved in that and shunned men a bit !!

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Saturday 06 August 16 17:09 BST (UK)  »


No, I said when she died intestate she was recorded under both names. That wouldn't be on the death certificate, it was from the bona vacantia list.
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So your entire case rests on the name of Adelaide Ann Springett being quoted as a known alias.

I agree that alone as it stands is quite compelling. I wonder why though no proper marriage and no apparent kids from the couple either.

By the way you said as she was no ones relative on this site, no one would be prepared to pay for the death certificate. Well someone has claimed she was their aunt or great aunt. All seemed to fit !!!!

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Saturday 06 August 16 16:47 BST (UK)  »
As this isn't any relation to me, or anyone on the thread I doubt if anyone is going to spend money on it!

To my mind, and several others on here, Adelaide Harling and Adelade Springett are one and the same. However if you want to send for the certificate and prove us wrong, I would be the first to admit I've made a mistake. Can you come up with any better proof?

Added: Just thought, as she was on the Bona Vacantia list her death can't have been registered by a relative or anyone who knew her well, so the certificate may not help much.


But you said both her names were recorded on the death certificate !!!

I m happy to order a copy but I think the only thing I'm going to see is the name Adelaide Ann Harling which of course proves nothing !

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Saturday 06 August 16 16:36 BST (UK)  »
Have you seen the death certificate ?

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The Common Room / Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« on: Saturday 06 August 16 15:59 BST (UK)  »
The biggest proof I think comes from that bona vacantia site where her date of birth is given as 19.2.1892 and Aliases:   Adelaide Ann Springett Adelaide Anne Harling Adelaide Ann Harling

So you're just going to ignore the evidence that her birthday is 19/02/1893 and there is no other mention of her having a middle name let alone it being Ann.

How do you explain the discrepancy in the birthday ??

However I do concede that the reference to the alias is strange ! Wonder if she had been in trouble with the law for her to have an alias ?? Why else would you use one other than to cover up sme sort of crime ??

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