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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Monday 21 December 15 16:35 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Sunday 20 December 15 17:19 GMT (UK)
I have re-read my reply and cannot for the life of me see what is rude about it

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Where did you get the death info from and what year is shown for his death?  Given that you say he may have died in 2005 in your opening post I think you have mistaken a death for an Edward John Jones with that birthyear who died in 2005

If you look at the 2005 death entry for Edward John Jones and look at the entry you found for Jack Jones - you will see they not only have the same date of birth but also exactly the same registration number meaning they are one and the same person but not necessarily the one you are looking for.  The GRO image is not available to check whether it's a possible mis-transcription

There is also this birth

Births March qtr 1927

Edward J Jones mothers maiden name    Baker Kingston (Surrey) 2a   777

You questioning how I found the info to me makes me feel dumb like I don't know what I'm on about. I find people's families for a living and I thought this page was supposed to help instead it's just making me feel like I can't do my job properly.

I have no idea what you are taking about? How can 2 people with different names be the same person ?? So basically I'm never going to find anything and I should give up that's what it looks like everyone is saying.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Sunday 20 December 15 16:28 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 20 December 15 16:04 GMT (UK)
It seems there's quite a lot of speculative material here, that shows the dangers of following what Online trees say, unless you yourself have the proof. That's not, by the way, intended as a rude comment at all, but rather the feeling I've got after reading carefully the pages, and trying to chart it out, and I think that's rather what CaroleW - who I've personally found very accurate and helpful in the past - intended. I hope you don't object to my first sentence here, but that is my impression.

I wish you the best of luck in this search - if Mum has dementia, she may not be able to help you, but there may still be other relatives, with documentation that can help you build up a chart of KNOWN facts, and perhaps agencies such as the Salvation Army may then be able better to work from that starting point?
People with online trees are often reluctant to provide documentation to others - usually because they haven't got it, and often because they have taken information themselves at face value from other trees.
I, and others, have had relatives hijacked, re-spoused and given additional / different children, often whilst having real children "snatched" into oblivion that way.
Online sources are a good guide or help - but don't provide all the answers, sadly. (I too have been chasing a "Jones" marriage for ages!)
Good luck. I'm sure the finest help is that given on here, for free and for interest. I do hope someone can help you to help your Mum.

I never follow online trees I write all the info down on word documents and try and find things out on my own.

We have already tried salvation army and they can't help because they can't find anything.

don't you mean my grandmother?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Sunday 20 December 15 14:39 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Sunday 20 December 15 11:29 GMT (UK)
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Why is Jones so hard.

Jones/Smith/Brown are probably the leaders in being the most common surnames.   

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but on a death record it startes that his birth is 10th January 1927

Where did you get the death info from and what year is shown for his death?  Given that you say he may have died in 2005 in your opening post I think you have mistaken a death for an Edward John Jones with that birthyear who died in 2005

TBH I find that a little rude. - I found the death on ancestry under the name Jack Jones as Evan was known as Jack I susspected he could of possibly changed his name to this (due to not finding any Evan Jack Jones) but I'm unsure as to if this is correct or not. The one that is for 1997 is for a Evan John Jones not Evan Jack and is in Neath instead of Kingston.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Sunday 20 December 15 14:29 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: DavidG02 on Sunday 20 December 15 13:24 GMT (UK)
Quote from: CaroleW on Sunday 20 December 15 11:29 GMT (UK)
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Why is Jones so hard.

Jones/Smith/Brown are probably the leaders in being the most common surnames.   


Especially Wales :(

I have an even harder one soon Jones married a Williams in Wales :'(

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Sunday 20 December 15 10:20 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CarolA3 on Saturday 19 December 15 08:19 GMT (UK)
Quote from: CaroleW on Friday 18 December 15 21:32 GMT (UK)
It (Ancestry tree) shows Evan's birth as 10.1.1927 but his birth was registered December qtr 1927

Is the tree owner American?  If so, '10.1.1927' would mean '1st October 1927' which would be correct for a Dec qtr registration.

Carol

This is not from the tree owner the Birth says Oct-Nov-Dec, but on a death record it startes that his birth is 10th January 1927. - Why is Jones so hard.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Friday 18 December 15 23:29 GMT (UK)  »
I think I may of found Beryl as Ivy Beryl 19.03.1931-2007. :D

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Friday 18 December 15 21:56 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: DavidG02 on Friday 18 December 15 21:32 GMT (UK)
Kelly

Don't be disheartened , you are doing a wonderful thing for your grandmother and I hope we can help.

Just take with a pinch of salt those items on Family Trees. Don't discard them but use them , as you are now , as guideposts to show the way.

And the hardest piece of advice is to also temper what your grandmother says. Her memories are 70 years old , and let me tell you us oldies sometimes mix things around , even when we swear they are gospel. :D Once again use what she says as helpers but be critical at times.

:)

Thank You.  :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Friday 18 December 15 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Friday 18 December 15 21:32 GMT (UK)
I have just been looking at the Chambers tree on Ancestry.  It says Beryl was born 1931 (correct) and died Kington 1952 (incorrect)

The 1933 birth is shown as GW instead of WG and the death in 1986 as GW

It shows Evan's birth as 10.1.1927 but his birth was registered December qtr 1927

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Beryl Jones 1931-1952. - Died without Marrying. - my grandmother stayed in touch with her.

Your gran was born 1934 so would only have been 18 if Beryl died in 1952. 

I really think you need to ignore some of the info on the tree or ask the owner to prove their "facts" by producing BMD certs in support of the info they have posted

Yes this is what I mean. I know Evan Jack went by Jack and I know George/William went by George and my grandmother goes by her middle name also.

Yes I know about Evan's birth which is what I'm confused by because Charles & Ivy married in Sept 1927 - As someone else said earlier.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for my grandmother's brothers - JONES?
« on: Friday 18 December 15 21:47 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Friday 18 December 15 20:54 GMT (UK)
Re: Cecil - suggest you look at the 1955 marriage in Hereford.  Details cannot be posted here

I know about this one it is a completely different person my grandmother's half-sister (1 of the child from Charles's second marriage). Had this one checked out by Salvation Army but they couldn't find any other Cecil.

As My grandmothers half siblings are also interested in finding him

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