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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Margaret Knox, 1851
« on: Wednesday 09 March 16 18:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, are you sorted now.  Anthony Knox was my 3rd great uncle. He was living aprt from his wife in 1861 census. Residence 1861 • 10 William Street, Seaham Harbour, Dawdon, Durham, England
Mary Knox 42 born Dawdon? Housekeeper, children all born Dawdon are William Knox 19 Labourer, James Knox 14 Labourer, Jane Knox 9 Scholar, John Knox 6 Scholar, Mary E Knox 3 Scholar and Elizabeth 1  Fenwick died in 1858.
Residence
1861 • Pilot Street, Seaham, Dawdon, Durham, England
Anthony Knox 36? born Iveston, Durham living as a boarder with others in the house of Mary Metcalf 40 widow Beerhouse and Lodging House Keeper in Pilot Street, Seaham, Dawdon
By 1871 census Anthony is living with Harriet Knox, maiden name unknown.  It looks like they had 2 children Frances and Jane Ann.  If you need any more help just ask me.  Name of place Anthony came from is Iveston.  It is in between Leadgates and Lanchester. Anthony had a brother Andrew who was my 2nd great grandfather.  Suzanna


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Durham / Re: Wesleyan Methodists - Hetton Le Hole, Houghton Le Spring, Easington
« on: Wednesday 09 March 16 17:55 GMT (UK)  »
There is a site I have used in the past, it is a pay per view site, but as reasonable as others I would think.  It is called Durham Records Online.  It can be a bit confusing as opposed to Durham Council records, but I have to say it is a wonderful site with lots of interesting articles as well. I found the following result for my great grandfather
Christening 21st April 1847 • Wesleyn Methodist, Shotley Bridge, Durham
Joseph Knox = parents Andrew Knox and Sarah. 
I think it later appeared on ancestry as well or familysearch.
Hope this helps, Suzanna

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Denbighshire / Ruabon Baptisms 1849 onwards
« on: Wednesday 09 March 16 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to find baptism records for Louisa Lemon born Ruabon 1849, Etty Jane Lemon born 1852, Hannah Rebekah Lemon born 1855 and Samson Lemon born 1862 all from Ruabon.  I have one baptism for Margaret Susan Lemon born 1860.  I obtained this from the Parish Baptism Records at Ruabon Library a few years ago when I was down visiting.  I did not find a baptism for any of the others, whether this is because the baptisms for 1849 to 1859 had  not yet then been recorded, or because their father Lionel had been a practising Jew before marriage to Mary Roberts (widow of John died 1848) (nee Lloyd).  They were married at Brymbo although Mary resided in Ruabon, possibly because of the Jewish connection and although I know from other sources it became a happy marriage and she at death was his much loved wife, at the time of marriage it seems to have been more of a marriage of convenience for various reasons.  Hence I wonder if the older children were not baptised although Lionel would not have been regarded as Jewish once he married out of the faith, simply because at heart he had been an observant Jew (I know this from research). It may have been that Margaret Susan was a token agreed baptism of all their children, but it might simply be that the older children were baptised but the baptisms when I visited Ruabon (many years ago now) were not then recorded.  I have found details of Margaret Susan's baptism since in other records, but none for the others. Does anyone have access to 1849 to 1859 Ruabon Baptism please. Thanks Suzanna

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Ruabon Cottage Hospital
« on: Wednesday 09 March 16 17:21 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to find cottage hospital records for Ruabon for the year 1874. My great great uncle Samson Lemon was only 13 must have just left school as you did then.  He was involved in an accident at Mr Bowers Brickworks, Ruabon.  He spent 12 weeks in the Ruabon Cottage Hospital so he must have had serious injuries.  I know this because he wrote a letter to the local Wrexham paper when he came out of hospital, giving thanks for his care and to individual people who had been kind to him during his stay there. Samson went out to Australia in 1883 and remained in the brickmakers trade, he became a brickmakers foreman, but he never married and really from what I can find out led a sad life which was probably very hard as well.  He died in 1907 and I have the inquest into his death.  Samson is in 1881 Ruabon census and he is a brickmakers labourer then, 6 years after his accident. I would like to find out what happened to him in 1874 if possible. Suzanna

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1861 Ruabon/Wrexham/Wales ECCLESTON
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 17:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, you will note that there are 2 1861 entries for Mary E and Sarah A Roberts.  Their Mother Mary Robert (nee Lloyd) remarried in 1848 just after husband John died, to Lionel Lemon who was my great great grandfather.

1851 census living at Ruabon are Lionel Lemon aged 48 a Carrier, wife Mary Lemon 35 born Chorley, Cheshire, Louisa Lemon (d) 2, and step-daughters Sarah A Roberts 6, and Mary E Roberts 3.

1861 census staying at Bychlan Marsh, Whitford as visitors with Joseph Healy 54 Farmer of 45 acres employing 3 men and a boy and his wife Sarah 48 are Mary E Roberts 19 Visitor and Sarah A Roberts 15 Visitor Scholar both born in Ruabon.

1861 census living at 11 School Lane, Ruabon are Lionel Lemon 62 General Dealer, wife Mary 41 (born Chorlton, Ches), stepdaughter Mary E Roberts 13 Out of Situation, Louisa R Lemon 12 Scholar, Etty  Jane Lemon 8 None, Hannah R Lemon 4 Scholar, Margaret J Lemon 9 mths infant.

Name: Mary Ellen ROBERTS
Given Name: Mary Ellen
Surname: Roberts
Sex: F
Birth: 1846 in Ruabon, Wales
Death: 1914 in Radcliffe, Lancs. Eng.
Occupation: Servant
Event: 1901 UK Census 1901 Radcliffe, Lancs. Eng.

Mary as you know married Thomas Eccleston and they had a lot of children.  I note this post was made July so you may now have more details on the Eccleston family.  The above was just copied and pasted from notes on my own family tree, but I do have other details, just not so easy to send!  Jenny

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Denbighshire / Re: "Newcome" brickmakers of Ruabon
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
I know there was a Bowers Brick works in Ruabon about 1874 as my great great uncle Samson Lemon was involved in an accident there at the tender age of 13.  He spent 12 weeks in the cootage hospital in Ruabon. Jenny

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Waterloo Men and Durham Regatta
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 17:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

I am descended from Andrew's brother Anthony.  He also at some point was a soldier according to the baptism details of daughter Grace Knox.  He became a carter later.  I have been unable to find out what regiment he was attached to although it would seem likely to have been The Durham Fencibles.  I understand this to have been more of a Territorial Regiment in the 1st instant, as Andrew became I think a regular soldier after serving in Ireland.  I have a service record for him. I know he married but could you give me a few more details on how you know the finer points about this marriage?  It sounds very sad. I have his wife as Isabella Nicholson, but that is a good guess from parish records as much as anything else. Brother Anthony married Mary Pearson, they had a good family, and one of the sons Andrew married Mary Sarah Young, she is also known as just Mary in some records.  Andrew died in 1852 and Mary married William Mole.  Andrew and Mary Sarah or Sarah Mary had a son Joseph Knox who married Mabel Ritson. Joseph died about 1895.  Mabel then remarried to a George Ward.  Mabel and Joseph Knox had 4 children, Thomas Henry Knox being one of them.  He was sometimes known as Thomas Henry Ward when his mother remarried.  He married Isabella Henry and one of their sons was Thomas Henry Knox my late father. Just to give you a brief idea of how we connect.  I am very proud of having an ancestor who served at Waterloo.  Apparently he was a Sargent at one time, but for one reason or another was demoted. Kind regards Jenny

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Australia / Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 16:58 GMT (UK)  »
I have been having a quick look at the records for Australia on Ancestry as well.  There are not many.  Now I know the death details for Samuel Lemon are correct as one of the inquest recordings I found states Samson or Samuel Lemon and the brickyard foreman would be correct as that was his trade.  I note there is a Samuel Lemon over Sydney way as per directory a painter as per another kid reply.  I am wondering if this is the same person?  There is also a Samuel Lemon came over in 1874 according to the immigration lists.  This will not be Samson Lemon of 1883 as we have been discussing who went over on Roma.  I will just have to check the other information I hold though as to whether it relates to Samson also known at death certainly as Samuel (both names given) or the other Samuel Lemon who was I think born about 1834.  I think what I have is okay, but possibly not the directory entry, but then who can say? He does not have a marked grave at Northam, but I presume he would be interred in an unmarked grave there and I can write to Northam Cemetery and ask about an unmarked grave?  Jenny

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Australia / Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« on: Friday 04 March 16 11:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Judith,  I have been wondering the same myself.  My Australian Geography is not great. I live in S W Scotland now. However I see he wa arrested for being drunk and disorderly in Petersham in 1892 reported in Sydney Herald.  I am not sure whereabouts that is will try and check it out.  He was a brick makers foreman according to a report into his death at Millingtons I think, but he still lived in camp.  He was a bit of a step up from a casual labourer if he was a foreman and I have read earlier reports and he held that position when giving a report into a shooting. I would imagine there was a great deal of building going on in Australia at that time which is probably why he came out in the first place, maybe he heard about opportunities from the brickworks in Ruabon where he worked.  Maybe his mothers death affected him, he had 4 sisters and he was the baby of the family, sure they would have made much of him but they had all married by 1881 last census report of him over here and started their own families. He seems to have been a nice mannered lad certainly when younger he was injured at Bowers Brickworks about 1874, be only about 12 or 13 then and he was in hospital for 12 weeks so must have been a serious injury.  He wrote to the local paper thanking the hospital for his care and named various people in his letter who had been very kind to him during his stay in hospital.  I puzzled over his name, he was born Samson Lemon, later Lionel was added as a middle name.  He came from a family of very recent Jewish background.  His father had been a devout Jew, (know this from Liverpool Archives Synagogue Records) till he married out of the faith, I think it was a desperate measures marriage, although from other things I have read/researched I believe it to have when they both settled down to have been a happy marriage. Samson appears to have changed his name to Samuel unofficially I presume, I wonder if that was to escape from possible Jewish connections.  I do wonder though like you, why he did not settle in one place, I am not sure there would have been a lack of job opportunities in the brick trade at that time.  I wonder why he did not marry as again he was a step up from a labourer.  I think some of his behaviour stems from the hard life of a single man with no stable home and a hard job as well.  I don't suppose we will ever know.  I don't think as he was British he would have had to apply for naturalisation.  I looked at the cemetary records and there is nothing for him which is a bit sad.
He must have been buried in an unmarked grave and even though he only left £7, that was worth a lot more than it would be nowadays. Jenny

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