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United States of America / Re: Help with a Mormon problem Utah
« on: Friday 04 December 15 15:37 GMT (UK)  »
Lucky you to have so much info to read over! Such bits treasure. It was a very different life at that time. I can't imagine living on the edge...so much hardship and fear....and joy too!

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United States of America / Re: Help with a Mormon problem Utah
« on: Thursday 03 December 15 14:34 GMT (UK)  »
As for marrying and records and such. In the early years of the church, records of memberships, marriages, and such were at time sketchy. Sometimes non-exsistent. The early time in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS)/aka Mormon was very volatile. Most people did not receive the Mormon Message well. There were many deaths. The members of the church even had to hide the murdered prophet, Joseph Smith's body - their prophet,so the mobs wouldn't take it. Members fled to different areas. I can see why there may not be records of  marriages, births, deaths, etc.
Marriage registration was variable in each state. I have ancestors from OH and marriage records started in the 1830's. But in Michigan, as early as 1867. Of course, if you know which church the ancestor attended/religion, you might have better luck. That is assuming there were an catastrophes that damaged church records.

"It seems enough that the people concerned knew they has been through the ceremony conducted by the priest. I have seen plenty of death certificates bit not one marriage certificate. "~~This is an interesting observation.
I have many LDS friends. I will ask a few and get back to you. They might provide some insight and links to help with your research.


Male members of the church, worthy of such, would "earn" or "prepare" to receive the priesthood. (https://www.mormon.org/faq/purpose-of-priesthood)
There are different levels of the priesthood.  The younger boys were often deacons. They could bless and serve the sacrament. Adult men would work toward becoming an Elder. An Elder can perform rights in the temple (with training). They can marry people outside the temple in a civil ceremony. They can also perform blessings. For those who are sick or troubled.

So, an Elder in the church, including the male ancestors you are researching, I would believe held the priesthood. They can marry persons. Also, in order for them to get married/sealed in the temple, they would have to hold the priesthood/maintain a worthy office of Elder. Does this make sense?

Sorry if this seems jumbled. I worked a night shift and hope it makes sense.



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United States of America / Re: Help with a Mormon problem
« on: Thursday 03 December 15 04:43 GMT (UK)  »

Now what does this mean is the cancelling of a seal the same as a divorce?  I am confused by the terminology is an endowment a marriage is the marriage legally accepted or only true with in the Mormon community? Oh help its very strange .
I am not sure if this was answered:
"Sealing" is an ordinance that is performed in the LDS temples. It is believed by the Mormons that  a couple can be sealed together for all time and eternity. Families can be sealed to each other as well. Canceling the sealing was not a divorce. It is just a recognition that they won't be sealed together.  When Anna canceled the sealing, she was wanting to get married and "sealed" to her soon to be  second husband.

An endowment is an ordinance performed in the temple. People have to have this first before getting married and sealed in the temple. I am going to make this easy on me and post a link.

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/mormon/endowment/
LDS marriages are legally accepted, expect involving polygamy.


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: David and Ann Godfrey
« on: Wednesday 02 December 15 02:36 GMT (UK)  »
CB53--"You mention that you have the deaths in England of the David and Ann Godfrey from the 1846 marriage . I can see a death in 1848 for a David Godfrey in Huntingdonshire but from newspaper reports he was 72 and I can't see Ann at all. I'm probably missing something."

I didn't see a marriage record. I have a death record for David Godfrey in 1899 in Manistee county, MI, USA. I don't think the above David and Ann Rignall are the one's I am looking for. Unless they visited and were in the census. With all this extra info, I have something I can work with now. :-)
Thanks everyone! :D

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I noticed that, but figured I would try.  :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: David and Ann Godfrey
« on: Tuesday 01 December 15 14:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
 This family from the 1841 may be worth looking at, as the David aged 15-19 has a brother called Zachariah and I see this is a name given to one of your David's children. Also the parents names of William & Elizabeth seem to be carried into your family.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M79P-KBR

The family in 1851

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVL-5MK6

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Oh my goodness!! In all my years of researching, I have never found this family! How crazy is that! Thanks so much! I will see if I can find anything further on them.

Ann Rignal b abt 1821 is on the 1841 census in Wisbech. There is a Non-Conformist baptism for an Ann Rignal born 29 Dec 1823 parents William and Elizabeth , baptism place Bluntisham , Huntingdonshire. ( entered in register 11 Mar 1833 ). I have viewed the entry in the register, not just the transcript.

Looks like the 1846 marriage could be the one.

~~I have always wondered about this marriage. Both my David and Ann died in Michigan, USA, but these two above, died in England.  :-\. I never caught the baptism date before. Interesting...

Thanks you everyone! I appreciate your help. I will look again and see if there is something I missed.



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Here is another Borek:

Title   005240517_00694
County   Tuscola
City/village/township   Dayton
Last Name   Stanek
Given Name   Sophie
Death Year   1951
Death Month   Nov
Death Day   7
Birth Year   1885
Age   66
Father's Given Name   Joseph
Father's Last Name   Borek
Mother's Given Name   Mary
Rights   Certified copies of this record are available from the Michigan Department of Community Health’s Vital Records Office:
http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132-4645---,00.html.

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There is a website called: seekingmichigan.org

I found this, but am unsure if this is a relation you.


County   Wayne
City/village/township   Northville
Last Name   Borek
Given Name   Joseph
Birth Year   1882
Age   64
Death Day   2
Death Month   Mar
Death Year   1947
Father's Given Name   Andrew
Father's Last Name   Borek
Mother's Given Name   Theresa
Mother's Last Name   Chesnick
Rights   Certified copies of this record are available from the Michigan Department of Community Health’s Vital Records Office:
http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132-4645---,00.html.
Item ID   005240262_01119

I live in the area. If I have specific dates, etc...I would be able to make a visit to the library and search articles. There is also a large indexed section which has info on burials.

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Family History Beginners Board / David and Ann Godfrey
« on: Tuesday 01 December 15 02:52 GMT (UK)  »
This is one family name where I have hit a wall.

I am looking for any help in finding a lead to a Parish or area in which David Godfrey and wife Ann might have resided in England. I have searched many of the links provided on this site already. I have found history books, based in the US, in which the family was was mentioned. The only definite info given was they were from ENGLAND.

David was born on August 28, 1823 in England
Ann (unknown surname) was born December 29, 1823
Their births were from records in America, such as death certificates, cemetery stones,  and obituaries. They were not obtained by birth records.
I have found only one census record in 1841 that is questionable/possible.
I also found a baptism  that would have him baptized at a year old.

I have not been able to find a marriage record.

David and Ann had their first son, William David, who was born in England circa 1846/7.

I have the immigration record for which they arrived in the US in June of 1848 and settled in Lockport, Niagra, NY.

Further children:
Elizabeth b.19 Sept, 1849 NY
Zachariah b. 30 Mar 1853 NY
Mary Ann b 14 Apr 1858 MI

By 1860 Census the family was living in Scipio,Hillsdale, MI
At some point William disappeared from records. I suspect he died, but I have no verification.

By 1870 Census, the family was living in Manistee, Manistee, MI.

David d. 21 Sept, 1899 Manistee, MI
Ann d. 7 May 1891 Manistee, MI





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