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The Lighter Side / Re: What is your wildest coincidence?
« on: Friday 24 October 25 18:02 BST (UK)  »
In the midst of a move from Oxford to Sheffield in 2021, I was staying in a rental cottage close to Chesterfield, and took the opportunity of further research into my late husband's Sheffield/Dronfield heritage.

I was gratified to find entries for his paternal line in various 19th century censuses very close to my location - it was a farming family - including a greatx2 grandparent in the 1891 in the pub a few doors down from where I was staying.

So when my sister in law (my husband's brother's wife) came for a cup of tea one day we had a pleasant walk up to a church in a local village to see if we could track down a tombstone for the various family members who had been buried there.

We enjoyed the walk, loved the church, but were not successful finding the tombstone, unfortunately.

My sister-in-law incautiously mentioned that her mum (brought up in the West Midlands) knew very little about her father who apparently came originally from Derbyshire.

She now knows that telling a family history researcher anything like that is likely to start an enthusiastic hunt - and sure enough, I soon had a family tree roughed out for her on Ancestry on my laptop in my rented cottage.

However, the most amazing coincidence was that I was able to ring her later the same day to say that her greatx3 grandparents had been married in 1849 in the same church we'd visited that afternoon.

I've subsequently found hers and my husband's relatives' gravestones in the churchyard, too.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual First Names
« on: Monday 04 August 25 22:09 BST (UK)  »
From my limited research on the Furness family I believe Enos’s parents were Matthew and Eliza.

The Furness family are well known for their manufacture of spring folding knives, I understand.

My interest was sparked by the fact that I now live in Liberty Road just above Rivelin and my neighbour explained to me that the area was created in the mid 1860’s as an early Building Society arrangement where people could subscribe for one or more of plots on the very hilly land to build houses, grow food, or erect workshops to manufacture on their own behalf rather than having to work for larger employers in the valley itself.

Apologies I seem to have taken over this thread at a complete tangent - will message MollyC directly!

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The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual First Names
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 22:27 BST (UK)  »
In doing some location research in my (relatively) new Sheffield home, I came across the first name “Enos” which was new to me but is a Biblical name meaning “man” or “mankind”.

In my case, it belonged to a 19th century man bearing the name Enos Furness (seems to be a very Yorkshire name to me) who was a spring knife manufacturer who had a workshop on the hilly site above the Rivelin Valley, where there were many (cutlery) grinding mills.

My house now stands on the site.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Family networks
« on: Monday 25 November 24 19:06 GMT (UK)  »
My family history research was greatly aided by my great grandfather's notebook, where he recorded spending holidays with his relatives, sometimes accompanied by his son, my grandfather.

It is nice to think of the family connections, but also - I think - it was how he had a holiday without spending any money on accommodation.  Very common in those days (the 1920's), I'm sure!

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The Common Room / Probate date ahead of death date?
« on: Tuesday 16 July 24 17:51 BST (UK)  »
I was puzzled to note that the Probate record for Margaret Anne JOLLIFFE of 14 Walton Crescent, Oxford, which I've accessed in Ancestry, is shown on the 1932 page, with a probate date in Oxford of 8 May, though it shows Ms Jolliffe's death as 19th June 1932.

I have separate confirmation of the death date from a burial record of 22nd June 1932.

I had previously thought the Probate Records were set out within the year that the Probate was granted, not the year death occurred (unless that happens to be the same).

Should I assume in this case that despite the heading of 1932 on the page, the probate was actually granted on 8 May 1933

It can't have been granted before death, can it  ???


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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Monday 22 April 24 13:28 BST (UK)  »
Another myth debunked is when people say "the census will give which cottage our ancestors lived in then". Maybe more likely in later census records but not so much in earlier records, and even for later records you still have to do a bit of digging to find where in the village or hamlet the cottage/house/farm was. In cities it was easier as houses were numbered more often and streets named.
You’re right - but then the street numbering of houses/dwellings in cities also changed over time as new buildings erected.

Could never find the correct entry for my house in Oxford in the 1939 Register though it was built before that date - it was built on a road which eventually joined two parallel roads and the numbering changed on both.

“Walking” with the Register round the locale was very discombobulating even though I knew it well

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The Lighter Side / Re: Family stories rooted in some truth.
« on: Saturday 16 March 24 16:46 GMT (UK)  »
One triumph from this great site was the finding of a remote Australian relative of my notorious (well, to me) Cork family, who managed to track us down via an address on a census which was the same address a relative of hers had been married from.  Thank you Rootschat and Google.

Once we started sharing information about our joint ancestors, we were astonished to find that her very strong family rule that 'you should NEVER smoke in bed' (well beyond advice simply based on common sense) was connected to an ancestor who died in 1893 at a ripe old age after staying in a farmer's loft whilst working away from home on a harvest.

Poor fellow had set himself alight with his pipe after a hard day's work.




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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Saturday 16 March 24 16:32 GMT (UK)  »
  I can't think of any myths in my family, but I am developing a theory that the Pay family originated in France. Apart from a couple of outposts in the North of the country, they have always been along the South coast, and I discovered a while ago that the name exists in France, mainly in the North-west. Some of the family like to think there is a connection to a rogue called Harry Pay in the Middle Ages. He was based in Poole, so the South coast/France link is there as well.

My bit of the Pay family (my cousin Ian) always claimed 'we came over with the Conqueror' but then he also claimed to be the first son of the first son of the first son of the first son of the first son of the family, and was offended as well as disappointed when my research conclusively demonstrated he was the first son of the first son of the first son of the first son of the third son of an illegitimate son, and so you could actually say we weren't Pays at all.

To be very fair to him, I think the primogeniture theory had come from his own father, passing on some theory or other from our grandfather, who had been a Metropolitan Policeman evidently not very familiar with the truth of the situation.

I had to do a bit of counting on my fingers for that story  ;) ;D

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry - how to highlight groups
« on: Friday 08 March 24 10:06 GMT (UK)  »
I’ve just thought - a coloured profile picture?


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