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Devon / Re: Worth family of Exeter
« on: Saturday 16 November 24 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ciderdrinker on Saturday 16 November 24 11:54 GMT (UK)
Good Morning
Let's start with a couple of burials
Mr Edward Foxall at St Pancras Exeter 1.2.1692/3

> I have this burial

Margaret Foxall wife of Mr Edward Foxall  at St Pancras 21.3.1687.

> I didn't have this burial

So Edward's wife must have been Margaret.
Daughter Ann/Anna future wife of Francis Worth bapt at St Petrock 25.4.1647 d of Edward and Magaret Foxall.

Her memorial with Francis at St Petrock suggest he was indeed from Worths of Washfield
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131198365/francis-worth

> Agreed.....

(looking at it I think Henry Worth  and Elizabeth Fry were his grandparents not parents .He was baptised at Washfield  4.5.1645 s of Henry so with so many Henry's it's difficult to know).

> According to Vivian's Visitations of Devon, the parents of Henry Worth (father of Francis) were
> Henry Worth of Worth and Dorothy nee Bampfylde.

Ann/Anna would be 24 when her first child John Worth was born so that fits.

Going on to the Walronds ,You say they are great grandchildren but the Will says grandchildren.

> No, I said they were grandchildren.

Could it be that Edward Foxall who married Ann Burrington was your original Edward and his first wife. Margaret born 1641 ,would be Anna's older sister. Childbirth was a dangerous event in the seventeenth century and the death of the mother wouldn't be unusual. He then remarried someone called Margaret.

> Ah, I hadn't picked the Margaret as a second wife. Thanks so much.

Like you I can't find a record of the marriage.

Ciderdrinker

At the moment I'm going with the wife of Francis Worth as Ann Foxwell because of the will of Edward Foxwell. I've put a , admittedly rather poor, translation of the MI below:

A Translation (my somewhat primitive attempt):
Francis and Alexander
Worth, children of Henry Worth
Of Worth in county Devon, armiger
He served excellently in the Common Council of Exeter
Where his name was exalted
On 9 July 1675 he died
He was born not inferior in virtue to the young
The most distinguished with the sorrow of his fellows
He exchanged life for death 18th day of October 1680
H.M.
Sister Mary: you have left
The heirs of your beloved brother Alexander, here also
Lies Anna Worth, the wife of the same Fran, who died on April 3, 1686.

There is a burial of a Mrs Ann Worth on 6 April 1686 at St Petrock, Exeter.

Thanks for the information,
Keith

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Devon / Worth family of Exeter
« on: Friday 15 November 24 11:54 GMT (UK)  »
Greetings,
Hunting again.....
In the will of one Edward Foxwell (PCC) died 1693, there are three Worth grandchildren listed. These are John, Anne and Elizabeth Worth. Hunting through the PRs for Exeter gives (for these three only) birth years of 1671 for John, 1672 for Anne and 1674 for Elizabeth, with a father of Mr Frances Worth.  I don't think that Francis is of the Worths of Worth (the manor at Washfield). There are 6 other grandchildren listed, all with the surname Walrond, being the children of Henry Walrond and Margaret Foxwell dau of Edward and his wife Anne (see below). The Walrond grandchildren are actually that, grandchildren.
Further, Edward Foxwell married Anne Burrington at Sandford, Devon in 1639 and, as far as I can tell had only one child, Margaret (b. 1641 at Sandford) who married (I have no idea when) Henry Walrond of Bradfield, Devon. The source for this is Burke's Landed Gentry for 1934.
Note that there is an Edward Foxwell who married Elizabeth Unknown and had 6 children at Combe Raleigh (all 6 are listed in the PRs). My view is that these are two separate Edward Foxwells.
So to my question, given the flexibility of the various relational terms throughout history, does anyone know who Frances Worth's wife was? There is some indirect information that it may be Anna, but that's conjecture at this point. Or did Edward Foxwell have other children with Anne Burrington (I can't find any).
And I forgot: There's an MI at St Petrocks as follows

P.M.
Francisci et Alexandri
Worth, filiorum Hen. Worth
de Worth in agro Devon armiger.
Ille in commune concilium civitatatis Exon
Meritissime ascitus de civibus optime
mervit, quibus ingentem spem sui nominis
excitaverit 9 die Julii 1675 desideratissimus obijt,
Hic vero natu non virtute minor juvenis
Lectissimus summo cum suorum dolore
vitam cum morte commutavit 18 die
Octobris 1680
H.M,
Maria soror : maestis ex testamento
Alexandri fratris charissimi haeres posuit.
Hie etiam jacet Anna Worth ejusdem
Fran, uxor quae obijt 3 Apl. 1686.

Thanks most kindly,
Keith

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Shallett of Exton, Hants
« on: Sunday 28 July 24 22:20 BST (UK)  »
Greetings,
In 1698, one Jonathan Shakespear of Shadwell, Tower Hamlets took out a marriage license for a marriage to Elizabeth Shallett. It's Elizabeth I'm trying to track.
What I know... I hope.
The license says that the marriage was with the consent of her mother and her uncle Arthur. She was 19, thus a birth about 1679. The marriage was to be at Clapham. Unfortunately the Clapham records for 1688 to 1702 are missing, both from the London Metropolitan Archives and Ancestry. The BTs have even bigger gaps. One or two trees indicate that the marriage took place at Shadwell, however the Shadwell registers for this time exist. No marriage. A tree in The Pedigree Register vol 2, page 304, on archive.org,  gives her parentage as Francis Shallett and an unknown wife. There is a bit of a problem here as Francis's baptism in Nov 1635 has her/him as the daughter of Edmond Shallett and Frances nee Lomer.
Arthur's will has five children, Bennett, Joseph, Arthur, Edmund and Sarah. I've not been able to locate baptisms for any of them, either in Hampshire or in London. They would have been baptized around the same time as Elizabeth. Arthur's entry in the Parliamentaryhistory indicates that he was a wealthy nonconformist MP.
So, does anyone have any idea where nonconformists could have had their children baptized in or around Exton, Hants or London in the late 1600s (1674-1690)?
I'm tending towards the view that Elizabeth was illegitimate, parentage unknown. There are clues, but no proof that I can find.
Keith

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Kent / Re: BALLARD, William
« on: Monday 03 June 24 21:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: amondg on Monday 03 June 24 02:47 BST (UK)
Baptism of son John 6 July 1834 into the Wesleyan Faith.

Born 21 May  1814 son of William Ballard and Sarah Reeves daughter of Thomas and Sarah Reeves

Ref: ancestry

Thanks for that. It does confirm that William Ballard and Sarah Reeves were a couple. But still no marriage. I'm thinking there never was one.
Keith

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Kent / Re: BALLARD, William
« on: Monday 03 June 24 21:27 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: amondg on Monday 03 June 24 02:41 BST (UK)
Probate records on ancestry. He died 2 August 1843 buried the 8th.

Will of William Ballard of Cranbrook - watchmaker Probate 25 October 1843

His half brother George Ballard and brother in law John Batts - executors

Children Joseph, Harriet, Frederick, John, William and Mary, in that order (so William 1809 may have died)

He says he does not leave anything to his son LEVI as he has already been provided for.

Marvellous! Thank you. That last statement from the will is the key one. His son Levi. Levi Ballard was baptized as the natural son of Sarah Reeves in 1798.

At the moment, it looks like there never was a marriage.

I had the will but hadn't bothered to read it fully, just as far as the bequests to his three sons.

Thanks again,
Keith

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Kent / Re: BALLARD, William
« on: Sunday 02 June 24 22:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hepburn on Sunday 02 June 24 16:50 BST (UK)
All I can see in that time frame is Sarah Dives...Rolvenden : St Mary the Virgin? :(

Yes, but that was to Thomas Duffield at Rochester. There is a marriage in 1802 to a Sarah Clark. I might explore that.
Thanks for looking,
Keith

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Kent / BALLARD, William
« on: Sunday 02 June 24 08:12 BST (UK)  »
Greetings.....
I'm looking for a marriage between a William Ballard and a Sarah Reeves somewhere. The when will b from the following.
In the Cranbrook PRs there is the baptism of a son, Levi Ballard, natural son of Sarah Reeves, 9 Dec 1798.
Sarah Reeves was baptized at Staplehurst 8 Oct 1773.
The first child of William Ballard and a Sarah, Harriott, was baptized at Cranbrook on 6 Feb 1801. A number of factors (not included here) indicate that the Sarah, the mother of Harriott, was Sarah Reeves.
This would indicate a marriage between the end of 1798 and the beginning of 1801, possibly in 1799.
So, I'm looking for the marriage. I've tried FindMyPast, for Kent, British overseas and general, Ancestry, Familysearch.
Any thoughts?
Keith

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Radnorshire / Re: What's the word.....?
« on: Friday 22 March 24 03:50 GMT (UK)  »
It does look like wife doesn't it. Must have had a brain seizure. Thanks to you both for that.
Keith

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Radnorshire / What's the word.....?
« on: Friday 22 March 24 02:53 GMT (UK)  »
Dear folks, I would like some help....
In the attached picture, a line reads "December 27th, Cimbriani Dr of Saml Morris by his <a word> was baptized". I can't for the life of me figure out what <a word> is even though it looks so simple. I've asked here because it's from the PRs for Llanfihangel Nant Melan, Radnorshire, so I'm wondering if there's something specific there....
Keith

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