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Although my line of Swanborough's never used Swansborough spelling you never know.

Frederick Leopold left Scotland for Australia on the Omrah in 1907 and embarked in the forces in 1915 having been living c/o the Sandilands Hotel in Mallanganee, Casino at that point and using the name Swanborough.  Although he never officially divorced from his wife Emma Mason they were separated sometime between 1902 when their son was baptised in Manor Park, East London (Essex) and their arrival in Scotland by 1907 leaving their son with his maternal grandparents in Essex.   

The American and Australian line of Swanborough families tended to use Swansborough in daily use.  So this could be the other Frederick who married Norah.  But, timing is possible for my Frederick, although, at the time of his death in 1956 no one was aware of him being married in Australia or any children.   So, what was Norah's status at that point, and their children ?

I have sent Anne a private message but thought I would post here in case others show interest in Frederick Leopold 1877-1956.

He is my 2 x great grandfather and he married Emma Mason in the UK and had 2 children before they separated and went their separate ways.   They initially went to Dundee where Emma stayed with her lover and daughter and he went on to Australia sometime after 1901 and stayed there until his death.  I have his death certificate.  Their son was palmed onto his maternal grandparents and then his maternal aunt.

Although I had suspicions that Frederick Leopold had had children in Australia due to his 40+ year residency there I could see no documentary evidence of that fact.  Nor were his grandchildren aware of any from the letter(s) they received and final news report ( since lost ) of the funeral.

However, in the last few weeks a match on my mother's MyHeritage DNA kit has highlighted the likelihood that they are a great grandchild of Frederick Leopold via one of his partners/lovers.   They have since received a match on their Ancestry kit of what appears to be a half aunt on the same side of the tree pointing at another grandchild of Frederick Leopold.

If anyone thinks they may also be a descendant of this guy, please upload any DNA test you have done to MyHeritage so we can confirm the connection with more certainty as I have DNA matches from Frederick Leopold's father and grandfather to help confirm the family connection.

I may not visit often .. I haven't been on here for years, maybe even decades .. so it may be a while before I see any responses.   But I will bookmark this forum posting to remind me.

Hi,

I've been tracing my Gypsy branches and have Deighton/Dighton/Ditton gypsies married into my Shoesmith family.   So far I only had an Essex link with some London areas for Shoesmith but will have to check the areas all your ones were in just in case my one was there too, although none of you mentioned her.

Here is my ancestral line ( from my gt grandmother ):
Frances Amelia Wright b1898 Epping -m- Frederick John Swanborough ( non gypsy )
Elizabeth Shoesmith b1873 Loughton -m- Joseph Wright ( Tinker )
Amelia Deighton b 1852 Braintree -- Isaiah Shoesmith b1849 Chigwell ( Chair Caner )
James Shoesmith b1819 Harrow -m- Ann Odell b1819 Hitchin ( Tinman )
Abraham Shoesmith b1791 Harrow --- Herodias (Tinman)
John Shoesmith --- Mary


I haven't been successful in finding a birth or marriage for Amelia.  However I did see a Mazalea Ditton born in Cressing 1851 daughter of Silence Ditton b1826 White Colne.  Silence and Solomon ( a sibling of this Mazalea ) are names used by the shoesmith family.  I have adopted her for the moment but would like to find clarification.

If someone can confirm if and where they have seen this Mazalea elsewhere or if and where they have seen an Amelia.

Thanks in advance