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Hi Amondg
It is strange where the John comes from! in the 1891 census when he first appears at his grandfathers with Ellen he is listed as Frederick S, but when you look at the original record there is no S or J.
I have only 4 records to go on regarding my grandfather Frederick William Knowles. in 1910 he joined the railway union in Spalding Linc's aged 23 as Frederick Knowles. In 1911 census he is boarding in martham (born in Holt) with john Dyball also a railway worker. Later that year he marries Arletta using Frederick William Knowles  24 years old. He gives his farther as Thomas William Knowles Game Keeper. I also have his death cert which says he dies 9/3/1936 aged 53. This would make Dob 1883 not 1888 from the other 3 records. I have looked at all 46 Knowles I can find in Holt area and have only found the 2 Fredericks. The other possibility is the 1883 Frederick born in Hunworth to Albert and Harriet Knowles. But he seemed too old. I have tried to trace Thomas William game keeper in Norfolk with no luck! My only living relatives could\would not give me much info, just that he was from north norfolk and other members of the family were also railway workers. I have found some hunworth born related Knowles also in the railway.  I believed this reluctance was because of the illegitimate birth and work house back ground. I have ordered the birth cert of Frederick John so should know more later this week, but it looks like neither of these may be my grandfather. I have traced 1400 relatives back 13 generations to 1550 with little trouble apart from Frederick. Thanks for the help
Mike

Hi Rebecca
Thanks for having a look
Mike

Hi all
I am trying to find info on Frederick Knowles born 1886/7 in Hunworth to Ellen Knowles (unmarried). In 1901 Ellen and sister Harriet were in the Erpingham workhouse With Arthur, Frederick,May,Sidney. I believe all were Ellen's children apart from Arthur.Sadly most died in the workhouse including another daughter Harriet had whilst there, but Ellen eventually left with Sidney and married a William Hazelwood in 1909. I'm interested to what happened to Frederick (possibly my grandfather). I believe he got a job on the railway and ended up in Martham where in 1911 he married Arletta Futter. Its proving quite hard to prove this as I know nothing between 1901 and 1911. On census he gave birth place as holt and marrage father Thomas William Knowles Game keeper. I have not been able to find the father and believe its made up. Any help from other knowles researchers gratefully appreciated.
Mike

Hi Rebecca
We seem to have been searching the same knowles line. I know this is an old post but I'm mainly interested in Ellen Knowles and her son Frederick who were both in the erpington workhouse in 1901. She left and eventually married William Hazelwood in 1909. I believe her son Frederick may be my grandfather. Frederick knowles who married Arletta Futter in gt yarmouth and lived in Martham. As one of your posts says she was a servant at a farm and in the next census was back home with possibly 3 children and no husband. All I have to go on is that frederick turned up in Martham in 1911 and on his marrage cert claimed to have been born in Holt and fathered by Thomas William Knowles Game Keeper Which I dont believe. Only 2 fredericks turn up in holt area around 1883-7. One is ellens frederick and the other is to a Clifford Knowles of Hunworth who is older and in 1901 is a groom in a pub. I hope your research can help me with this road block. Mike